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Joined: August 22 2010
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Posted: June 06 2018 at 08:50
Well....there has been a long history of opposing regimes in Central and South America (despotic type govts) of abducting or 'disappearing' people they don't like, both adults and children.
Also in Russia of course back in the day. But these are well known examples of political repression.
The US situation is different since they are being detained...one presumes ..for eventual deportation under the law and not murder.
I'm not condoning doing this to children...but stating the situation as I understand it.
btw....what is the situation in Europe and Canada regarding illegal immigration? I would assume if caught these people are being deported?
Edited by dr wu23 - June 06 2018 at 08:52
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Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
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Posted: June 06 2018 at 14:03
My parents came to the US from Central America and they did so 100% legally, my father became a US citizen within 5 yrs and my mother within 10 years. I can only imagine what our/my life would have been like had they decided not to come here. My family back in the mother country are doing very well, all my cousins are living a normal life with no issues.
But I totally understand why they did what they did, had nothing to do with oppression or feelings of fear.
In a majority of cases the people that are coming here in trucks, vans and jumping fences are doing it for fear of their lives and in general just looking for a better life/opportunities. I also do not doubt they are coming here to escape criminal charges or jail for crimes committed.
They are also coming here under false premise, people tell them nothing will happen to them. They are also paying a lot of money to get here only to be told when they cross the border that Cleveland OH is only a 2 day walk thru some hills and then these people with kids die in the Texas heat.
So I have no problem when these people are being detained because their life was probably just saved from certain death.
Also unless they have proper paperwork, the USCBP service cannot 100% be sure that these people with kids, belong to each other. I am sure you have kids that are being brought here as a "family" and really are not, there is a real mother and father who just lost a child to thieves. So again, detaining them and possibly separation is probably saving their lives.
Bottom line is there are laws in the US, clearly the laws need to be reviewed and some amendments made but that is a subject no administration has been willing to take on full force.
It does seem that this administration is trying to but the immigration web is super ugly with everyone's feelings in the way...nobody will be happy with any outcome, but immigration reform needs to happen.
Joined: May 18 2012
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Posted: June 10 2018 at 13:12
There are several teenagers that are running for Governor in both Vermont and Kansas in 2018. A 13 or 14 year old that is still in the 8th Grade in Middle School is running as a Democrat in Vermont. As for the ones in Kansas, Two of them are running as Republicans, One is running as a Democrat, One is running as a Libertarian, and the other is running as an Independent that is from Maryland and has never even lived in Kansas. 2018 USA everyone.
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Joined: May 18 2012
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Posted: June 10 2018 at 13:53
dr wu23 wrote:
Uh....aren't there minimum age requirements to run for office...?
No offense to young people but I don't want some pimply faced kid in a major decision making situation.
Those two States don't have a minimum age to run for office, Which is why this is happening in the first place. Vermont and Kansas really need to set a minimum age for running to prevent stuff like this from happening. And I agree with you, I don't think teenage Governors are a good idea, If they aren't even old enough to vote then they shouldn't even be allowed to run for office.
Edited by Jonathan - June 10 2018 at 13:56
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Joined: February 01 2011
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Posted: June 10 2018 at 15:06
Jonathan wrote:
There are several teenagers that are running for Governor in both Vermont and Kansas in 2018. A 13 or 14 year old that is still in the 8th Grade in Middle School is running as a Democrat in Vermont. As for the ones in Kansas, Two of them are running as Republicans, One is running as a Democrat, One is running as a Libertarian, and the other is running as an Independent that is from Maryland and has never even lived in Kansas. 2018 USA everyone.
Well, we have an adolescent in the White House currently. What's a few more?
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Posted: June 15 2018 at 11:39
Now for the latest:
1) Much like Neville Chamberlain, Trump has declared peace in our time 2) Comey is labeled an egotist by the DOJ but Trump's people claim vindication and maintain that the FBI was politically biased when it was not and 3) Trump is being sued by New York City.
Stay tuned for episode 289 coming shorty.
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Posted: June 15 2018 at 11:53
The Mexico situation is status quo, happens every election. This could also put more fuel on the immigration issue, we need to shore up our immigration laws and make sure borders are protected and secure.
Some of these "unknown assailants" could try to make their way into the US to hide from their crimes.
The general voter I don't really think is putting much weight onto the more recent stuff coming out about Comey/FBI/NY lawsuit. The one thing that is clear, is the FBI has been a complete disaster and Comey should have been released, probably by Obama. Confidence in the FBI has been lost, they should not have been investigating crooked Hillary's email issues. The FBI are experts on cross state crimes involving people, families, drugs and such....they should probably stay out of political issues.
Joined: December 05 2007
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Posted: June 17 2018 at 05:10
Concerning thousands of children being separated from their parents by force on the US/Mexican borer:
As someone living outside the USA in Germany, I can judge this by direct comparison to what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany, and I could write endless pages about this issue, but what it all boils down to is a simple: Trump, Sessions, the GOP and their supporters are pigs and not worthy of being called human beings, just like Goebbels, Goering etc.
America will be apologizing about this for generations.
I expect this post to be deleted, but perhaps someone will be able to read it before this happens.
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Posted: June 17 2018 at 11:58
npjnpj wrote:
Concerning thousands of children being separated from their parents by force on the US/Mexican borer:
As someone living outside the USA in Germany, I can judge this by direct comparison to what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany, and I could write endless pages about this issue, but what it all boils down to is a simple: Trump, Sessions, the GOP and their supporters are pigs and not worthy of being called human beings, just like Goebbels, Goering etc.
America will be apologizing about this for generations.
I expect this post to be deleted, but perhaps someone will be able to read it before this happens.
Undoubtedly you're damn right man, unfortunately.
Edited by Tillerman88 - June 17 2018 at 11:59
The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories...
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Posted: June 18 2018 at 16:45
Also, Have you guys heard rumors that Russia might be trying to meddle in the Upcoming Elections in Mexico? If that's true then I wouldn't be suprised in the slightest. Because they interfered in our election in 2016 and then they did it in some countries in Europe. It's crazy.
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Posted: June 19 2018 at 09:52
How did anyone interfere in the 2016 elections? Did anybody convince you, sway you to vote a certain way? Did anyone change your mind in how you were going to vote? If so then you were weak in your own opinion or reasoning.
Were any votes changed at the ballot machines? Did any country hack into the voting data base and change votes? Really, if you believe that then you need to keep all your money under your mattress and burn all your credit cards and online accounts as we would have massive gigantic security problems if that were the case.
Stopping other countries from posting ads or anything about a candidate good or bad, will never stop, unless we shutdown the whole WWW.
Did you read the link above about Mexico's elections? They have bigger problems than someone trying to meddle in elections, people are dying there because of their political affiliations, they have their own internal meddling that has been going on for eons....That is what's crazy, but it is more the norm sadly for Mexico and a lot of other countries.
Facebook, Twitter, Youtube postings is not meddling, that's the norm. It's hyped up versions of what we see on TV during campaign season, the back and forth bashing of candidates.
You need to be smart and read thru everything and make an informed decision. If you are influenced by these "outside influences" then shame on you.
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Posted: June 19 2018 at 10:53
Catcher10 wrote:
How did anyone interfere in the 2016 elections? Did anybody convince you, sway you to vote a certain way? Did anyone change your mind in how you were going to vote? If so then you were weak in your own opinion or reasoning.
Were any votes changed at the ballot machines? Did any country hack into the voting data base and change votes? Really, if you believe that then you need to keep all your money under your mattress and burn all your credit cards and online accounts as we would have massive gigantic security problems if that were the case.
Stopping other countries from posting ads or anything about a candidate good or bad, will never stop, unless we shutdown the whole WWW.
Did you read the link above about Mexico's elections? They have bigger problems than someone trying to meddle in elections, people are dying there because of their political affiliations, they have their own internal meddling that has been going on for eons....That is what's crazy, but it is more the norm sadly for Mexico and a lot of other countries.
Facebook, Twitter, Youtube postings is not meddling, that's the norm. It's hyped up versions of what we see on TV during campaign season, the back and forth bashing of candidates.
You need to be smart and read thru everything and make an informed decision. If you are influenced by these "outside influences" then shame on you.
Absolutely. I am stunned by how many well educated people here forward Whatsapp fake news forwards without checking at all. They do it so often it almost gets boring to fact check them. The combination of entirely discrediting all established news outlets and blithely believing stuff like Alex Jones is something I can't really work out. If one is really so sceptical as to doubt a mainstream newspaper or channel, surely a youtube propaganda ought to raise many more red flags.
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