The American Politics Thread

Just a short digression... The following post was made on March 17, 2017 by one of Trump's fans...

Instead of the debt going down, it has since reversed that trend. Since Trump's inauguration, 1.3 trillion dollars have been added to the debt.

Now I return you back to Trump's regularly scheduled treason, already in progress...

@micky

"It wasn't the press locked out.. it was everyone in his own inner circle. No secrets were getting out per se.  It is like someone well described. The State Department.. simply went black. Our government did.  That never happens. That is not the way negotiations happen. It did here, and did for a reason. Perhaps someday we will find out why."

That is exactly why I suspect Trump used that closed door meeting to say something to Putin he wasn't supposed to.  Either that, or to take directions from his overlord which in public would have revealed just how much control Putin has over his Manchurian Dipsh*t.

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at worst, yeah, Putin does have something on him.  The jugular you say? I can really see him going for it.  I don't see too many places he could really go though other than the Baltic States and again Trump, either out of stupidity/ignorance or by Putin's puppet master design, has likely weakened NATO enough and pretty much made clear that we will not honor Article 5.  We shall see....  "

If I am not mistaken, Putin described the collapse of the USSR as the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century.  It may be that he has taken it upon himself to correct that 'wrong' and bring back USSR, only now under an almost Tsarist setup that is not socialist or communist in any form. Putin faces a still floundering Russian economy so he MAY possibly be game for desperate measures.  With the cover of an emasculated US president who talks a big talk but gives bearhugs to Putin, he can take back the tiny East European states, one at a time.  He tested the waters not so recently after all with Crimea and it went through.  My father was saying it's not just Trump.  Russia has something that the USA (or the intelligence units of other countries on the NATO side) is not telling the world about and which makes it difficult for the USA to actually enforce the protection they had once promised NATO states.  Under Trump, there is a real possibility we will head back to kinda pre-WW alignments, only this time with a weakened (by US design) Germany trying to shore up the resistance to a belligerent Russia and USA just shrugging in the manner of the inimitable Donald. He will just say they should have listened to him when he told them to spend more on arms.  This all sounds like a nightmare scenario but then we have already got from 2016's champagne (or was it vodka) celebrations to the Putin moment so people need to start feeling 'comfortable' with entertaining such possibilities. 

Putin is a highly trained intelligence agent and a savy leader. If he is holding something on Trump.  

ie if you are holding a Trump card...  what good is it if you hold on to it too long.

In the next year,  if he means to exploit his advantage to the max, and who really thinks he would not. Whatever value he has over whatever it is he has over Trump disappears after 2020. Next year (or sooner). And likely in conjunction with a military move into NATO countries. If it is going to happen, and a lot of people think it is a very real and strong possibily to, it will happen in the next year to year and half and likely in the direct aftermath of seeing what he does hold is covertly (and deniable) made public.

The hesitation Madan is not they are hiding anything.  To do that they'd have to be united.  They are far from it. They are the midst of a civil war, though like the big one here, it is game over. Thus the retirements and capitualation by the remnats of the sensible, moderate Republican Party.

what is behind the lack of push back or any oversight of Trump ( I mean REALLY.. if this was Hillary... she'd have had articles of impeachment already drawn up. .for the serious investigation would have started from day 1)

anyhow.. it is just politics Madan.  Power politics. The Republicans have known for years they are a dying party, on the wrong side of issues and demographic change and changes our country is experienced.  They see and still do reap short term benefits by playing the race card and stoking fear and anger and pandering to white entrenchment.  It is a losing strategy long term, but does that matter to the 'swamp'? 

OF course not. No more than the stupidity, incompetence or outright corruption/treason of Trump matters.  It is their cushy jobs short term that matter.  Political suicide to stand up and say the emperor and his policies have no clothes. And the by the time America (and the Republican Party) finally see the reality and consequences... they'll be retired and collecting those fabulous benefits.

truth there brother.... bank on it.  The Republican Party will be dead with a couple of decades.  They are simply out for themselves and their cronies and could care less about anything else.

"By the way, according to New York State law, a recording of a conversation requires only one party's consent."

So, in other words: it's ok to record any conversation? Why is there a law that explicitly allows you to do something? Sounds like busy work. Shouldn't it be: It is not allowed to not record a conversation? Double negatives are in nowadays, I've heard.

That story references a Jonathan Chait article (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html) which mentions that Trump had earlier already passed on some Israeli intelligence secrets to Russia.  So the one on one meeting with nobody other than Trump and Putin in the room was, I am convinced, pretty diabolical.  Russia wants to do to America through Trump what America did to Russia through Yelstin.  Putin has been waiting for the chance to avenge it and if he does indeed have his man in the Oval Office, he won't stop.  Will be interesting to see what does happen if the Democrats win handsomely in the Mid Term Polls.

yes it will.  And it starts with Pelosi's fate..

I tend to agree with most it will would be colossal surprise if the Democrats don't retake the House.  I doubt they will retake the Senate but it will be enough to merely hold serve. Break even or gain lose a seat.  Compared to what could have happened.. likely what WOULD have happeened if Hillary had won .. the Republicans could have easily reached the 60s seat threshold this November.

Prior to anything Mueller digs up and releases. I don't think the Democrats will do much. I think the fringe on the left will want to impeach him immediately. I mean they could I suppose, the Republicans set that bar mighty low for Clinton.  I don't think they should will for the smart move is to let Trump dig his.. and the Republican's parties own grave. If 2018 is a blue wave... 2020 could be tsunami if they play their cards right and Trump and the GOP remain.... well.. Trump and the GOP.  Brainless, clueless, and corrupt to the core.