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 Posted: July 17 2019 at 18:59 |
 omphaloskepsis wrote:
Like I said, Pelosi was in process of distancing "herself and moderate Dems" from AOC and her socialist tribe when Trump's tweets confounded Democrats and forced Pelosi to back AOC and her tribe....
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</span><br style=": transparent; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12.93px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; max-width: none; orphans: 2; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="display: inline !imant; : none; : transparent; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12.93px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">Pelosi's words were ruled out of order under House rules — a president may not be called racist — but Democrats prepared to use their majority status to override GOP objections to change the rules.
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</span><br style=": transparent; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12.93px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; max-width: none; orphans: 2; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="display: inline !imant; : none; : transparent; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12.93px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">The hour-plus long drama over Pelosi's comments showed just how tense the mood is in the House as the two sides battled over Trump and his racist tweets from this weekend targeting four progressive Democratic freshman.
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</span><br style=": transparent; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12.93px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; max-width: none; orphans: 2; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="display: inline !imant; : none; : transparent; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12.93px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">No speaker has had their words "taken down," as it is referred to, in 35 years, and even challenging a speaker's comments is considered a serious breach of etiquette. Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, didn't want to be part of the fight, and decided to "abandon the chair," a shocking move that left the speaker's chair empty for a moment. </span> <span style="display: inline !imant; : none; : transparent; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12.93px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">
</span> <span style="display: inline !imant; : none; : transparent; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12.93px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">As Cleaver stormed off the floor, several Democratic members could be heard gasping. Others turned to each other with confused looks."</span>
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/16/pelosi-trump-racism-resolution-1417365
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That's all very well but asking American citizens to go back to the country they came from IS racism, pure and simple. The fact that you willingly bought into his trope speaks volumes. Just because somebody has Muslim or Latino names doesn't mean they are illegal immigrants or even immigrants per se. Only one of the squad was an immigrant and she was ten when she came here.
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King of Loss
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 20:49 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Like I said, Pelosi was in process of distancing "herself and moderate Dems" from AOC and her socialist tribe when Trump's tweets confounded Democrats and forced Pelosi to back AOC and her tribe....
"Action on a House resolution condemning President Donald Trump's controversial tweets ground to a halt on Tuesday after Republicans objected to Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling the posts "racist" during a floor speech.
Pelosi's words were ruled out of order under House rules — a president may not be called racist — but Democrats prepared to use their majority status to override GOP objections to change the rules.
The hour-plus long drama over Pelosi's comments showed just how tense the mood is in the House as the two sides battled over Trump and his racist tweets from this weekend targeting four progressive Democratic freshman.
No speaker has had their words "taken down," as it is referred to, in 35 years, and even challenging a speaker's comments is considered a serious breach of etiquette. Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, didn't want to be part of the fight, and decided to "abandon the chair," a shocking move that left the speaker's chair empty for a moment.
As Cleaver stormed off the floor, several Democratic members could be heard gasping. Others turned to each other with confused looks."
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/16/pelosi-trump-racism-resolution-1417365
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Except what he said is 100% racist. Also, it seems to me that you haven't posted your analysis of the 2020 election yet. Scared? 
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 21:01 |
King of Loss wrote:
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Like I said, Pelosi was in process of distancing "herself and moderate Dems" from AOC and her socialist tribe when Trump's tweets confounded Democrats and forced Pelosi to back AOC and her tribe....
"Action on a House resolution condemning President Donald Trump's controversial tweets ground to a halt on Tuesday after Republicans objected to Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling the posts "racist" during a floor speech.
Pelosi's words were ruled out of order under House rules — a president may not be called racist — but Democrats prepared to use their majority status to override GOP objections to change the rules.
The hour-plus long drama over Pelosi's comments showed just how tense the mood is in the House as the two sides battled over Trump and his racist tweets from this weekend targeting four progressive Democratic freshman.
No speaker has had their words "taken down," as it is referred to, in 35 years, and even challenging a speaker's comments is considered a serious breach of etiquette. Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, didn't want to be part of the fight, and decided to "abandon the chair," a shocking move that left the speaker's chair empty for a moment.
As Cleaver stormed off the floor, several Democratic members could be heard gasping. Others turned to each other with confused looks."
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/16/pelosi-trump-racism-resolution-1417365
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Except what he said is 100% racist. Also, it seems to me that you haven't posted your analysis of the 2020 election yet. Scared? |
No, I'm not scared. I wish to give the analysis the time it deserves. I don't finish my summer semester till Mid August. I work a nursing job full time and I'm writing a thesis on "Cultural Barriers in Nursing Healthcare Delivery for Muslim Women". It's important that nurses understand the Muslim culture, so nurses can provide the best healthcare possible to Muslim Women.
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npjnpj
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Posted: July 18 2019 at 01:47 |
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Wow, coming from you as an ardent supporter of the racist president, that should be an interesting read.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: July 18 2019 at 17:14 |
npjnpj wrote:
Wow, coming from you as an ardent supporter of the racist president, that should be an interesting read.
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One would think Rule#1 should be to respect them as human beings and not tell the towel-heads to go back to whatever crappy country they came from.
Edited by The Dark Elf - July 18 2019 at 17:16
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: July 18 2019 at 18:22 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
npjnpj wrote:
Wow, coming from you as an ardent supporter of the racist president, that should be an interesting read.
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One would think Rule#1 should be to respect them as human beings and not tell the towel-heads to go back to whatever crappy country they came from.
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OMG, Us Nurses would never say such a thing. Our focus is on the individual Muslim woman. We realize that Muslim women often must be accompanied to medical appointments by a male. Muslim women are sensitive to have their body exposed. Most of the time a female examines the Muslim woman and attempts to be quick but methodical.
Yet, we can't lump all Muslim women into the same category because they come from many different countries. Some Muslim women believe illness is a spiritual trial. Some believe the "Evil Eye". However most Muslim women believe all people get sick.
Many Muslim women aren't aware of their Muslim rights. This can be traced to the fact that most Muslims run their lives by cultural morays vs scriptural. For example Ill Muslims are exempt from fasting during Ramadan. So, I try to be sensitive to each individual woman.
But, never does any nurse refer to Muslim women by the name Dark Elf used. Maybe Dark Elf should visit a local hospital and watch Healthcare professionals care for people. In my experience, Firefighters, Paramedics, Nurses and Doctors give 100% effort caring for all patients, regardless of age, sex, economics, race, or religious persuasion.
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npjnpj
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Posted: July 18 2019 at 18:34 |
I think I know what he's getting at, but the wording was (I hope) unintentionally unfortunate. Pretty dark, even for a dark elf. I think he might have been paraphrasing another recent quote.
Edited by npjnpj - July 18 2019 at 18:37
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: July 18 2019 at 18:48 |
npjnpj wrote:
I think I know what he's getting at, but the wording was (I hope) unintentionally unfortunate. Pretty dark, even for a dark elf. I think he might have been paraphrasing another recent quote.
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Evidently, she takes everything literally. But only makes excuses for the one actual racist in this conversation.
Edited by The Dark Elf - July 18 2019 at 21:34
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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micky
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Posted: July 18 2019 at 20:08 |
ehhh.. I don't buy for a second that Trump is a racist. He is worse.. and probably was the #1 reason he should have never been elected.
Trump is pure and simple.. a clinical grade naccist.. he cares about himself.. his brandname.. and himself again. People like especially rich and powerful ones don't give a f**k about immigration, hispanics trying to jump the border.. poor stupid ingnorant Trump voter that .. hmm.. Trump has made clear his feelings about them. A bunch of yokels and fools...
See Trump sees anyone and everyone only in one lens.. how do they relate TO HIM.. if hispanics voted for him.. sh*t.. he'd executive order that border wide open. Calling Trump a racist.. misses the point about him compeltely. He is feeding the hate of the morons that support him.. he doesn't care just what that hate is all about. Do you think in his little ivory Trump tower he looks twice at the 'hired help'. Nope.. the man lives in his own world and he is the only one of importance in it.
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micky
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Posted: July 18 2019 at 21:17 |
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I'd be curious to know how many like myself there were; generally conservative voters who cast third party protest votes. I'm not sure who the protest votes helped more. It seems to me that a lot more Republicans would be willing to vote against Trump than Democrats would be willing to vote against Clinton.
So it's not just that Democrats need to show up, it's that they need to show up and support their particular candidate, which appears to mean picking someone less unpalatable than Clinton.
Yes, the numbers... and common sense indicate that Trump should get crushed. I caution banking on this for three reasons: 1. Just as Trump has divided the Republican Party, the extreme (by American standards) socialist wing of the Democratic Party is doing much the same there. Just look at the gulf between Pelosi and The Squad, with AOC now declaring the Speaker of the House herself to be racist! If the Democrats go as hard left as the Republicans have gone hard deplorable, they may gain little or nothing. 2. The conventional wisdom last time was that Trump had no chance. I know... that was then and this is now and many variables have changed. But if we missed the mark so badly last time, what's to say we're not overlooking something now? 3. If the economy is still perceived to be doing well at election time, a lot of their folks will be happy to vote Trump and many more will hold their nose and vote for Trump. Most people have little to no understanding of how the economy works, much less what a sitting president may or may not have done to contribute to its success or failure. The fact is that a huge number of folks vote based on the economy, whether the President actually had anything to do with it or not. |
sure there were some... but as 2018 showed.. most have given up on the party. The writing on the wall was pretty clear to all but the most .. insulated in their bubbles or right wing echo chambers. The old Republican Party was dead. Ideologically bankrupt but for one thing.. white identity politics.. and of course paying back the corporate donor class that supports them
the party of small government, financial responsibility, and even of christian values was swept away .. not by Trump.. but those that support him and their fear, anger and hate. He didn't take over the party, they did, and even when Trump leaves. They will remain.
By most estimates the vast majority of 3rd party votes were cast by Democrats.. hell my best friend did for he hated Hillary almost as much as he did Trump. Care to guess how few 3rd party votes there were in southern or midwestern states. Red states.. Republican states didn't cast the vast majority of 3rd party votes.
They were in Democratic states. Good case in point.. Clinton lost 600k 2012 Obama votes in those 3 blue wall states.. and they didn't go to Trump.. who got even less a percentage of the popular vote as Romney.. and reemember.. Romney got smoked in the E.C. Trump literally got the same general number of votes as Romney... where the election was lost was Democrats either not showing out of disgust or thinking it was pointless to vote since 'hillary had it in the bag'.
Edited by micky - July 18 2019 at 21:22
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npjnpj
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micky
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Posted: July 19 2019 at 17:19 |
^ learning I see 
so the debate lineups are now set.. oh man.. looks like beer and popcorn viewing BOTH nights..
a) the Warren pinata... does Sanders go after her... do the lagging moderates ... or does she intimidate them enough to steer clear. Beto v. Pete will be good... Beto needs a charge and Warren is many leagues over this head but can attempt to save his failing campaign by trying to nip off the top of the 2nd tier.
b) then the real fun one.. Harris and Booker v. Biden. Biden best be ready.. or he'll be finished as a truly viable candidate by the end of July. He got one pass by many.. doubt he'll get a 2nd...
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micky
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Posted: July 19 2019 at 17:30 |
and it seems many are wondering just that about Sanders .. my hot take.. he won't.
I've drawn a couple of parallels between him and Trump.. and one glaring one has really come apparent.. he thinks his sliding in the polls is fake news per se.. a media conspiracy against him for alleged 2016 war crimes against the party haha. I think many are expecting it.. for that is exactly what he needs to do if he wants to become President.. is slay Warren.. but I don't think he will for again like Trump.. he thinks he is doing far better than he his regardless of what the evidence says. He'll take the moral high ground and not go hard at her.. in fact.. likely he'll do just what he did in the first debate.. and has since 2016. Stick to the scrip and his talking points.. again.. that is my fear of him and why I think he is the only one Trump realistically can beat. I think Trump would eat the very rigid and formatted and uncharismatic Sanders alive.. and if not win.. make the election far closer than it really should be.. or will be if some like Warren are his opponent.
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 20 2019 at 04:15 |
Well, Nate Cohn's analysis is certainly not encouraging for the Democrats.
The Sun Belt isn't going to turn fast enough for the Democrats to make the Midwest irrelevant in their equations. IF they win both Texas and Arizona - and they didn't in 2016 - they will still need at least Ohio to win the Electoral College. Or Florida or Pennsylvania. These are all states they lost in 2016 and in none of them are they sitting pretty. Only in Pennsylvania is Trump's approval rating below 50% and it is still in the 46-47%, close enough that he can swing it in his favour. Similar story in Wisconsin, Michigan or Iowa. By no means are they unwinnable for the Democratic Party but there is also no straightforward path to victory and the election is going to be a lot tougher than what it would be if 2018 played out all over again. Then again, there was no reason it would. Americans usually hand over the House to the opposition in the midterms. That didn't stop Obama getting re-elected and it may not be enough to stop Trump either.
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micky
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Posted: July 25 2019 at 15:24 |
So the topic of the day was Global Warming and Climate Change and the resisters.. they aren't nuts.. they simply don't care. Too many finanicial and political interests to care about 50 years from now when the gravy train and swamp give you incentive to look the other way to the changes happening and yet to come.
Will we wait until hundreds of millions on the east coast find their cities going underwater... depends.
Senator Warren does appear to have a plan.. of course she does.. but what is it.. and will it work.
"Here's what I propose, start with a place where there is a real need. There is going to be a worldwide need for green technology, ways to clean up the air and the water. And we can be the ones to provide that. We need to go tenfold in our research and development on green energy going forward, and we need to say any corporation can come and use that research. They can make all kinds of products from it, but they have to be manufactured right here in the United States of America. There is a $23 trillion market coming for green products. We should be the leaders and the owners and we should have that 1.2 million manufacturing jobs here in America. We can do this."
and before it even comes up.. what of the fossil fuel companies.. who do you think will be these companies and corporations Warren speaks of. Remember AT&T long before there was the internet.. there was phones and land lines.. they didn't stop the times from changing.. they changed and evolved and profiting from the change. The same as would today's energy companies.. but unlike today.. in a new age restrained capitalism and the end of the unfettered type... their profits will be much restricted.. instead of trillions in profit... just merely tens or hundreds of billions.. the rest.. back to American workers who do the work and oh yeah.. mucho taxes.. paying back the R&D investment.. and then some to the government who made their billions in profits possible.
discuss and debate.. is there a better plan out there.. I haven't heard it...
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Posted: July 25 2019 at 16:24 |
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^ More than likely solar energy will be the way of the future, this has nothing to do with politics, just harnessing the most powerful energy source available. The technological breakthroughs that will make this a reality will happen, its just a matter of who will make it happen.
Our current dimwit federal government and its emphasis on oil (and even coal!), led by the former casino and beauty pageant czar is well on the road to running far behind, take your pick: Japan, Germany, China, or just about anybody.
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Help the victims of the russian invasion:
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 25 2019 at 19:02 |
Easy Money wrote:
^ More than likely solar energy will be the way of the future, this has nothing to do with politics, just harnessing the most powerful energy source available. The technological breakthroughs that will make this a reality will happen, its just a matter of who will make it happen.
Our current dimwit federal government and its emphasis on oil (and even coal!), led by the former casino and beauty pageant czar is well on the road to running far behind, take your pick: Japan, Germany, China, or just about anybody. |
This is what I apprehend. It may already be too late. China is racing away.
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micky
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Posted: July 26 2019 at 04:57 |
Easy Money wrote:
^ More than likely solar energy will be the way of the future, this has nothing to do with politics, just harnessing the most powerful energy source available. The technological breakthroughs that will make this a reality will happen, its just a matter of who will make it happen.
Our current dimwit federal government and its emphasis on oil (and even coal!), led by the former casino and beauty pageant czar is well on the road to running far behind, take your pick: Japan, Germany, China, or just about anybody. |
oh it definitely is... I've had several friends of mine. Younger and more ambitious professionally than I am that have left the field of traditional electrical work and got into solar power. High demand and big money as there are a lot of people taking themselves off the grid and converting their homes and businesses to alternative energy.
But that is this area where it is extremely affluent, even knuckle draggers make seriously good money, much less the educated professional jet set that predomante here. What is lacking of course is national focus, and real incentive for areas or regions that simply don't have means to do so. I think we were heading in that direction before Trump and Trump really was just a speed bump and he'll be gone soon enough and the focus will be 180'd again back to focusing not on trying to save old school industries on life support but looking to the future. I suspect the next admininstration, whoever's it might be, will immediately push reset back to 2016 and not only get us back on board with the Paris accords but start anew the process that Trump merely interupted, delayed. I suspect the next administration, as the clock is ticking willl be more aggressive to starting a larger scale conversion from coal and oil to alternative green power sources. How? I must admit I haven't heard any plans and proposals if they have (but suspect Warren if anyone.. does have a plan for that ) so I will be curious to see the details they propose as we move forward into the campaigns.
That is that.. then there is what Warren specifically proposed that I posted. She is probably right, who am I to disagree with her, regardless of what we do or Europe.. there is still a very large world out there, and yeah, looking at China and other developing nations that may not the have luxury or forethought to start the conversions preemptively.. but will eventually be forced to do so and clean up the messes they made both on a local scale and of course a larger scale. That is what she is talking about there. There really are two elements in play to addressing Climate Change and Global warming.. the short term.. making that conversion.. and the long term.. cleaning up the damage already done.. and still to be done as some lag behind and continue to feed the cycle of GW and CC and the damage still to be inflicted.
the interesting part of all of this here.. and of course directly related to the topic at hand is while old white fart who runs this country could care less about this topic for the most part. It is the young that are driving this .. and perhaps why we see polling like we have that nearly 45% of all Americans under 25 consider themselves not as Democrat.. but progressive.. yet another reason as they find their voice in our electoral politics that we really are in the midst of a poltical and electoral realignment here and again.. why the Repubican Party which has next to zero appeal to the next generation is dead man walking politically as their voters age out and pass on and the new generation of Americans takes over. 2032 may seem like a ways off.. but it really isn't.
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Posted: July 26 2019 at 06:22 |
Not to mention the national security issues of global warming: coastal bases, water shortages, large migrations, weaning off of oil supplies from troubled areas, etc.
Are any of the candidates considering a reforestation policy as a part of their platform?
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Posted: July 26 2019 at 08:39 |
^ good point as far as the forestation dealio.. as a native Oregonian who spent large amounts of his childhood at his psychotic father's bunker in the middle of the Cascades wilderness I can unequivocally state.. that I love trees (and cats!!!!) more than I do my fellow human beings haha. Refortestation makes good damn sense.. but platforms?
therein is the issue.. as I alluded to in the other thread.. the talk so far has not really been GW/CC but who is best suited to beat Trump. As I'm sure you know there has been a lot of gnashing of teeth and bitching about the lack of focus on these issues so far in the campaign. The smart move I agree would have been to have set aside a debate focusing strictly on this issue.. which half the country could care less about.. but that isn't who these debates are for. A great many progressives and the young voters in the party.. DO and quite passionately.. and they more than any will likely decide first who is the nominee.. and then of course who is our next President. Is it someone they support.. or another boss lip service to their concerns..corporate Democrat
and decide .. you know what.. perhaps the smart thing to do is to sit this one out and let Trump have 4 more. Perhaps in 2024.. the party.. and America will finally listen to us.. the status quo is taking this country nowhere.. but down.. and yes.. trying to make nice and compromise with Repubicans is just putting a kick me sign on your back. They have no interest in compromising.. to them it is a sign of weakeness within their bubbles and conservative media.
interesting to see where this goes...
Edited by micky - July 26 2019 at 08:41
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