The American Politics Thread

SteveG wrote: Atavachron wrote: ^ ... or Sally Yates for FBI, for that matter.   Quickly becoming my favorite DC lady and cute, too -- Sally Yates for President in 2020!  Let's make America decent again.

  

Word is it may be Trump's business dealings that are at the heart of things, rather than low-level espionage or something along those lines.   If it is a business-related scandal, I imagine the response would something like "Hey, I said 'America first'; I didn't say I wasn't going to profit outside the U.S."

After a few months being away now, I’ve decided to brave the captcha hurdles to make one comment on the latest developments, following the current aftermath of James Comey’s firing. The number of captchas I will be faced with while doing this will determine whether I’ll be going ‘underground’ again for another few months.

I’ve come to the conclusion that everything that has been happening concerning the White House since the start of Donald Trump’s presidency can only be attributed to the deliberate intension to destabilize the country as a whole. Every action, every announcement, every policy or personnel decision made can, in my opinion, only make sense if the overall objective is to confuse and weaken every American institution and the fabric of American society itself; most importantly the faith in the competency and trustworthiness of the US government itself.

Speculations on Trump’s mental state, his apparently bumble-handed dealings with appointments and affairs both inside and outside the US borders, his ties to Russia, the nepotism, in fact his seemingly inept handlings of just about everything are moot. These are just smoke and mirrors, adding confusion to any attempts to make sense of it all. My opinion is that all this is deliberate. Nothing is MEANT to make sense.

Any bizarre action taken by the US administration is just meant to be exactly that: completely unfathomable, and a constant distraction from …. something. And it’s working; the media is rife with speculations flying in all directions of the compass simultaneously, while not seeing the wood for trees.

The system of checks and balances, at this time, is broken, and the national defense system is crumbling.

Someone, somewhere is just waiting to reap the harvest when the time is right; when the destabilization process has reached its intended level.

America, wake up, or you’re history.

Edited by npjnpj - May 12 2017 at 02:06

npjnpj wrote: After a few months being away now, I’ve decided to brave the captcha hurdles to make one comment on the latest developments, following the current aftermath of James Comey’s firing. The number of captchas I will be faced with while doing this will determine whether I’ll be going ‘underground’ again for another few months. I’ve come to the conclusion that everything that has been happening concerning the White House since the start of Donald Trump’s presidency can only be attributed to the deliberate intension to destabilize the country as a whole. Every action, every announcement, every policy or personnel decision made can, in my opinion, only make sense if the overall objective is to confuse and weaken every American institution and the fabric of American society itself; most importantly the faith in the competency and trustworthiness of the US government itself. Speculations on Trump’s mental state, his apparently bumble-handed dealings with appointments and affairs both inside and outside the US borders, his ties to Russia, the nepotism, in fact his seemingly inept handlings of just about everything are moot. These are just smoke and mirrors, adding confusion to any attempts to make sense of it all. My opinion is that all this is deliberate. Nothing is MEANT to make sense. Any bizarre action taken by the US administration is just meant to be exactly that: completely unfathomable, and a constant distraction from …. something. And it’s working; the media is rife with speculations flying in all directions of the compass simultaneously, while not seeing the wood for trees. The system of checks and balances, at this time, is broken, and the national defense system is crumbling. Someone, somewhere is just waiting to reap the harvest when the time is right; when the destabilization process has reached its intended level. America, wake up, or you’re history.

No, I'm afraid none of it is intentional and it is not meant to do anything other than cover for a deeply incompetent president.   Anything other than that is sheer paranoia.   We elect a person to be president; this time Trump won; that's how it works.   If he is deemed to be unfit for office, he will be gradually removed as we all watch in both relief and shock as the U.S. Marshals escort Mr. Trump out of the White House and into a limo (a white one with lights and a siren, of course).  

"Wake up America or you're history?"   Really, is that the best you can do?   Please stop threatening us with your uninformed speculation and fear.   Europe is no better off, so tend to your own affairs and enough with the hysterical ranting.

Again, the best you can do?   You can't say something extreme and then complain when someone responds in a way you weren't expecting.   That is free speech and expression.   This president has lost all credibility, is unfit for office, and everyone knows it.   You're confusing a political crisis for political repression.   There are a whole lot of people who know the law and will bust him if the law dictates.   If Richard Nixon can be forced out of office, Donald Trump is a cakewalk (and not nearly as savvy or familiar with government).

But we'll see, won't we.   My concern is that he becomes desperate enough to do something stupid just to cause a distraction.

npjnpj wrote: Fair enough, we'll see. Thing is, you seem to see Trump only as something of a bungling fool, whereas I think that the matter is much more sinister. To be honest, I hope you're right.

npjnpj wrote: After a few months being away now, I’ve decided to brave the captcha hurdles to make one comment on the latest developments, following the current aftermath of James Comey’s firing. The number of captchas I will be faced with while doing this will determine whether I’ll be going ‘underground’ again for another few months. I’ve come to the conclusion that everything that has been happening concerning the White House since the start of Donald Trump’s presidency can only be attributed to the deliberate intension to destabilize the country as a whole. Every action, every announcement, every policy or personnel decision made can, in my opinion, only make sense if the overall objective is to confuse and weaken every American institution and the fabric of American society itself; most importantly the faith in the competency and trustworthiness of the US government itself. Speculations on Trump’s mental state, his apparently bumble-handed dealings with appointments and affairs both inside and outside the US borders, his ties to Russia, the nepotism, in fact his seemingly inept handlings of just about everything are moot. These are just smoke and mirrors, adding confusion to any attempts to make sense of it all. My opinion is that all this is deliberate. Nothing is MEANT to make sense. Any bizarre action taken by the US administration is just meant to be exactly that: completely unfathomable, and a constant distraction from …. something. And it’s working; the media is rife with speculations flying in all directions of the compass simultaneously, while not seeing the wood for trees. The system of checks and balances, at this time, is broken, and the national defense system is crumbling. Someone, somewhere is just waiting to reap the harvest when the time is right; when the destabilization process has reached its intended level. America, wake up, or you’re history.

lol.  Oh fun.

So while on your Captcha vacation you've gone from innocent and well meaning questions as an outsider to the madness here to .... having figured it all out and presuming to 'know' what those of us here don't even know!  HAH!  Bullsh*t man....

The fact noone.. not the experts... not even forum loud mouths and know-it-alls knows what is going on in Trumps mind.  We are in uncharted territory here.  At no point in our history have we

A) elected one so unqualified to be Preident.  There is a reason the founding fathers put a thing called the electoral college in our electoral system. It was to protect this country from the ignorance and apathy of the government and electing someone completely unsuited to be President.  Unfortunately it took over 200 years for that to actually happen and by the time it did.. it was shown to be incapable of doing what it created to do.

so the end game of that.... the rules as they are... like you cannot fire an FBI director investigating you AND get away with it.. don't apply to him.  Unlike 30 odd years ago... we have far more polarized as a nation and fully half of this country could care less.. all this are nothingburgers and products of the evil left.

B) as noted above...  I'd run down Penn. Ave naked shouting I love f**king Trump if he is proven to have any nefarious plans like that. As noted above... the other great sin and failure of the American electorate was not just merely electing someone not even qualified to be elected city dog catcher.. but one who shows every SINGLE f**king symptom of N.P.D. A disorder fine for your garbage collector.. a convienece store clerk... but not YOUR f**kING PRESIDENT hahah

thus..  again... naked.. loving Trump if he has any nefarious plan other than stroking his ID..  and making himself and his sons Uday and Qusay rich. 

Wow.....I don't read the politics thread for a day or two and suddenly Trump is a sinister genius taking over the world as we know it.

Is it just me, or am I picking up a lot of smug complacency around here? A lot of mutual congratulations on everyone’s healthy skepticism and level-headedness all around, it seems, and damn any perceived extremist who might think differently and, even worse, has the insolence to put any outrageous thoughts into words here.

Things seem to have changed for the worse, since I was here last. The pack of wolves seems to have taken the place of the previous debaters. It’s a shame. Oh well, please yourselves.

Although, please be fair here, to a certain extent even James Clapper seems to be thinking along the same lines as what I’ve clumsily attempted to lay before you, but in contrast to myself, I don’t think he’s that much of a kook. Extreme, for sure, but not a kook.

So, to everyone’s relief (including mine) I’ll be off again. All the best to all of you.

May the bashing continue, starting ..... now!


Edited by npjnpj - May 14 2017 at 10:32

npjnpj wrote: Is it just me, or am I picking up a lot of smug complacency around here? A lot of mutual congratulations on everyone’s healthy skepticism and level-headedness all around, it seems, and damn any perceived extremist who might think differently and, even worse, has the insolence to put any outrageous thoughts into words here.

No, I think it's a combination of stress, worry, and at the same time not wanting to be pestered by some heckler in the balcony jeering and spitting at the poor dumb Americans.   If you want to play the righteous do-gooder that's up to you, but it doesn't help and only furthers your image as an arrogant and unhelpful spectator with no horse in the race.