The American Politics Thread

rushfan4 wrote: The sad thing is that half the country is convinced that the election was fraudulent.  I do find it hard to believe that that many people did vote in the election this year, but being able to mail in the ballot rather than going in person probably contributed to a lot of that.  And I suppose that it didn't hurt that there was so much dislike for the current president that it motivated a lot of people who normally wouldn't have bother to vote, to vote just to remove Trump.

I checked the stats on that, any stats I could find were from before any of this went to court, so it would be interesting to see where people are at now after the court's decisions.
What was most surprising though was that a large number of Democrats thought they stole the election.

I think that I mentioned this before, but I remember reading a comment from Mary Trump, Trump's niece, where she said that if her uncle is spouting conspiracies about the other side it is likely because it is something that he is doing.  What wouldn't surprise me is that if Trump somehow did steal the 2016 election by stealing votes and thinking that we would win again in 2020 by stealing votes again, but it turns out he didn't steal as many votes as he thought that he needed to.  ***I have absolutely no proof of this and do not profess that this theory is true, but on the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if it were to be true.****

Edited by rushfan4 - January 20 2021 at 16:10

This article from yesterday Most Republicans say the election was stolen — especially the ones who hate Democrats and don’t mind White nationalists - The Washington Post still says 70% of Republicans.

rushfan4 wrote: The sad thing is that half the country is convinced that the election was fraudulent.  I do find it hard to believe that that many people did vote in the election this year, but being able to mail in the ballot rather than going in person probably contributed to a lot of that.  And I suppose that it didn't hurt that there was so much dislike for the current president that it motivated a lot of people who normally wouldn't have bother to vote, to vote just to remove Trump.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - January 20 2021 at 16:19

Yes, but we didn't think Trump election was rigged.

Atavachron wrote: ^ Just because half the people voted for him doesn't mean they all think the election was fraudulent.   I take most Trump voters to be normal mainstream conservatives who don't seem to be able to read psychotic behavior when they see it.   But that doesn't necessarily mean they're stupid or don't believe their own representatives, e.g. McConnell, when they say 'Trump lost'.

Most trump voters I know in person and on local social media are not particularly vehement about the election being stolen. They just don't trust mail in voting and they think that is where the corruption took place. People fraudulently taking advantage of mail in voting.
My main problem with that is that if mail in voting is susceptible to fraud, then what would have stopped trump's gang from taking advantage of it too.

SteveG wrote: Yes, but we didn't think Trump election was rigged.

Nope, not for a second. It was the natural pushback against the Obama presidency. I'm not one of those who was surprised that Trump won. Just ask micky.

Edited by SteveG - January 20 2021 at 16:43

I didn't think 2016 was rigged in the sense Trumpeters say 2020 was rigged.  I do think the combination of Russian interference and the last minute revelation about Hilary's emails were too much for the headwinds she was facing anyways

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Easy Money wrote: Atavachron wrote: Well they'll just have to suck it up, like Dems did in 2020.   I'm not a dem, but I also don't recall sucking up anything, lol. I battled trumpateers endlessly on the internet for the past 4 years. I can retire now. You might be one of the few republicans in here then.  Unless you are a libertarian or some other smaller party member.

Just an open minded independent who sees good points and bad points in both parties, but I absolutely could not stand trump, and I know lots of repubs who feel the same way.