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Argo2112 
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 Posted: June 20 2018 at 14:41 |
 progaardvark wrote:
twseel wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Its just as ridiculous as the Russians meddling in our elections. Your hatred of a man who was voted into the White House clouds your thinking...LOLOMG...of course there will never be any proof come out of what the Clinton's did to so many people in their political life. Any proof is locked away in caskets...you all are funny. |
It's definitely smart to stay skeptical of all major and minor news broadcasters, especially the 24/7 news channels in America which fill up their time with loads of echo chamber opinions instead of actually presenting news, but by this logic I have to stand by the other guys and tell you that if you are aware that there is no solid proof, you shouldn't preach that stuff in a political discussion because you're basically saying that you'd readily believe some news channels bringing this fact up without proof...I'm still struggling to figure out what's really so bad about Clinton, her husband didn't flush the country down the drain exactly and she seems to know what she's talking about as well to a reasonable degree. She doesn't instill hope and bring people together like Obama and she seems kind of cold but apparently that alone is enough to make people assume the worst about her. I guess it's always easier to imagine how bad the things were that someone could have done without people knowing about it than properly condemning things that were done out in the open and without any shame or remorse... |
The reason the right despises Clinton is because they've been programmed to. This all started when she was First Lady and tried to do something about health care as a policy issue. The right hated her because she rocked the boat and wouldn't play the traditional role of Bill's wife (i.e. "stay in the kitchen"). I remember watching Fox News back in those days. It was a mind-numbing experience. They poo-poo'ed her every day, and with endless repetition, trained their viewers to essentially believe she was the spawn of Satan. And it wasn't just her. Nancy Pelosi was also treated this way. They loved bashing the New York Times and the Washington Post and used the word "liberal" and "feminism" as if they were curse words. In other words, they were a propaganda outfit from the start. There wasn't anything fair or balanced about their programming. And those on the right that couldn't think their way out of a paper bag, fell for it. And are still falling for it.
Most sensible people know Hillary Clinton would have been able to do the job and knew she had the experience. Putin didn't want Clinton to win because he knew she'd fight back. Now Putin has the biggest dumbass on the planet and he's loving every minute of it. |
Agreed, in fact Hillary may have been the most qualified person to run for the office. No one had her resume. Secretary of state, Senator & 8 years in the white house seeing things up close. Unfortunately she made some mistakes & that human meat grinder of a news station ( Fox News) did a good job of convincing everyone she was the devil. Now we're stuck with Uncle Donnie. 
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 20 2018 at 16:47 |
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Yeah...Hiliary has her flaws but it's amazing to me that anyone...even hardcore right wingers... defend this uncaring egotistical buffoon who is currently in office.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 20 2018 at 16:58 |
^ It's not as much the hardcore ones but the average conservative voter who's saying "Maybe we need an egotistical buffoon!" And in certain substantial ways, in their eyes, they're right: Good economy, strong defense, long overdue border security, protective trade measures, etc.
He's still their man as much as he ever was. It's his supporters that tend to suffer: the Roseanne Barrs, HR McMasters, Rex Tillersons, and Sean Spicers.
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Easy Money
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Posted: June 20 2018 at 17:01 |
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^ Yet there is this nagging feeling that this precarious house of cards will eventually implode, mostly due to the man's bad social skills and childish temperament, although I could be wrong.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 20 2018 at 17:11 |
One can only hope, but frankly I see him being reelected.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 20 2018 at 17:17 |
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^ Well...there are plenty of bigots and narrow minded white people in the US so it's certainly possible.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: June 21 2018 at 14:50 |
Why build a wall when you can build a canal?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/saudi-arabia-to-spend-dollar750m-to-make-qatar-into-island/ar-AAyYcLl?ocid=spartanntp
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Man With Hat
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Posted: June 21 2018 at 14:52 |
Atavachron wrote:
One can only hope, but frankly I see him being reelected.
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Wouldn't surprise me. Hopefully all this sh*t will mobilize people to actually participate in the voting process. Would help if the dems had some spines in them too, but that's too big of a dream to have.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: June 27 2018 at 12:30 |
I feel ill:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/justice-kennedy-us-supreme-courts-pivotal-vote-to-retire/ar-AAzfJVk?ocid=spartanntp
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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SteveG
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Posted: June 27 2018 at 12:51 |
Man With Hat wrote:
I feel ill:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/justice-kennedy-us-supreme-courts-pivotal-vote-to-retire/ar-AAzfJVk?ocid=spartanntp
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He'll just be replaced by another Nazi. Only worse.
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 27 2018 at 14:13 |
Not defending Kennedy's stance but he has voted on the so-called 'liberal' side now and then,... the others never. What is even more strange is that Thomas...an African American...votes on the right when his own people have never been helped in any manner ,social or otherwise, by the white conservatives on the right. I have never understood that.
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IVNORD
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Posted: June 27 2018 at 14:41 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Not defending Kennedy's stance but he has voted on the so-called 'liberal' side now and then,... the others never.
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Not exactly. Justice Roberts voted for Obama care in 2012 and for digital privacy on June 22, 2018, siding with the liberal wing both times. Gorsuch sided with the liberals on an immigration issue back in February 2018.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: June 27 2018 at 17:42 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Not defending Kennedy's stance but he has voted on the so-called 'liberal' side now and then,... the others never. What is even more strange is that Thomas...an African American...votes on the right when his own people have never been helped in any manner ,social or otherwise, by the white conservatives on the right.I have never understood that.
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The phrase "Uncle Tom" comes to mind. Humorously enough, in a different era, he'd be strung up for voicing an opinion, any opinion.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: June 27 2018 at 20:50 |
SteveG wrote:
Man With Hat wrote:
I feel ill:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/justice-kennedy-us-supreme-courts-pivotal-vote-to-retire/ar-AAzfJVk?ocid=spartanntp
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He'll just be replaced by another Nazi. Only worse.
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And thus the problem. Kennedy at least sided with the minority once and awhile. But my illness is coming from the long term view (and McConnell's anti-American actions) more than anything else.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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SteveG
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Posted: June 28 2018 at 04:05 |
Man With Hat wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Man With Hat wrote:
I feel ill:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/justice-kennedy-us-supreme-courts-pivotal-vote-to-retire/ar-AAzfJVk?ocid=spartanntp
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He'll just be replaced by another Nazi. Only worse.
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And thus the problem. Kennedy at least sided with the minority once and awhile. But my illness is coming from the long term view (and McConnell's anti-American actions) more than anything else. |
Yes, unfortunately, after Trump is gone and stricken from the record like some deposed ancient Egyptian Pharaoh, his Supreme Court appointees will spew vile bile for the next 40 years. And that's what makes me sick.
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Catcher10
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Posted: June 28 2018 at 10:00 |
Argo2112 wrote:
progaardvark wrote:
twseel wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Its just as ridiculous as the Russians meddling in our elections. Your hatred of a man who was voted into the White House clouds your thinking...LOLOMG...of course there will never be any proof come out of what the Clinton's did to so many people in their political life. Any proof is locked away in caskets...you all are funny. |
It's definitely smart to stay skeptical of all major and minor news broadcasters, especially the 24/7 news channels in America which fill up their time with loads of echo chamber opinions instead of actually presenting news, but by this logic I have to stand by the other guys and tell you that if you are aware that there is no solid proof, you shouldn't preach that stuff in a political discussion because you're basically saying that you'd readily believe some news channels bringing this fact up without proof...I'm still struggling to figure out what's really so bad about Clinton, her husband didn't flush the country down the drain exactly and she seems to know what she's talking about as well to a reasonable degree. She doesn't instill hope and bring people together like Obama and she seems kind of cold but apparently that alone is enough to make people assume the worst about her. I guess it's always easier to imagine how bad the things were that someone could have done without people knowing about it than properly condemning things that were done out in the open and without any shame or remorse... |
The reason the right despises Clinton is because they've been programmed to. This all started when she was First Lady and tried to do something about health care as a policy issue. The right hated her because she rocked the boat and wouldn't play the traditional role of Bill's wife (i.e. "stay in the kitchen"). I remember watching Fox News back in those days. It was a mind-numbing experience. They poo-poo'ed her every day, and with endless repetition, trained their viewers to essentially believe she was the spawn of Satan. And it wasn't just her. Nancy Pelosi was also treated this way. They loved bashing the New York Times and the Washington Post and used the word "liberal" and "feminism" as if they were curse words. In other words, they were a propaganda outfit from the start. There wasn't anything fair or balanced about their programming. And those on the right that couldn't think their way out of a paper bag, fell for it. And are still falling for it.
Most sensible people know Hillary Clinton would have been able to do the job and knew she had the experience. Putin didn't want Clinton to win because he knew she'd fight back. Now Putin has the biggest dumbass on the planet and he's loving every minute of it. |
Agreed, in fact Hillary may have been the most qualified person to run for the office. No one had her resume. Secretary of state, Senator & 8 years in the white house seeing things up close. Unfortunately she made some mistakes & that human meat grinder of a news station ( Fox News) did a good job of convincing everyone she was the devil. Now we're stuck with Uncle Donnie.  |
Nahh, there is no news service or group of people that convinced people that Hillary made mistakes, she made massive mistakes on her own, of her own doing and will. The people clearly understand the gravity of her mistakes as a govt official. The security risk of her actions are what the people understand.......clearly you are right when state "we are stuck with Uncle Donnie". But that is Hillary's fault he was elected, the people are fed up with the likes of Hillary and her holier than thou attitude.
And her mistakes did not help her cause. She ran a campaign from a soapbox that was looking down on the people and very condescending attitude, even women were not too enthusiastic with her, she did not come over well at all. No news service created this cloud around her, she did it all by herself. I also don't think the people think she is the devil, she is not. Simply a politician that lacks negotiation skills, compassion for the common people and holds zero respect by other country governments and leaders. Her leadership as Sec of State was terrible at best. Also, the people are fed up with the ongoing family politicians like the Clinton's and Bush's. They are all long in the tooth and need to be retired to the closest retirement home....None of them are needed anymore. Homeboy Bill just keeps opening up his big yapp and more and more looking like the big idiot and womanizer that he is.
You Obama lovers better hope and pray that nobody in that administration knew about or authorized any Trump campaign spying, or we will see another Watergate scandal develop..Too bad Sir David Frost is gone, to interview Obama.
I too am starting to think that Trump will get re-elected......He has built a very strong argument to try it again, and clearly the Dems have no answer for him other than bitchin and moanin about how he talks and behaves. The people, the US voter, do not pay attention to all that stuff. If the likes of CNN continue doing what they do against the POTUS, they will only help the Republicans and Trump. They need to report the positives and stop fueling division, the pendulum is swinging the other way.
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Posted: June 28 2018 at 10:05 |
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^You really do live in a bubble, don't you?
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Posted: June 28 2018 at 12:51 |
progaardvark wrote:
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So you believe Hillary made no mistakes? And that the Russians caused her to lose the election? You believe Facebook and Twitter and Youtube made people vote for Trump?
If you believe things like that sir, you need to get out and talk to people.
Alexandria Cortez just beat a 10 term incumbent in NY as a dem socialist, that's a message she sent. We are tired of the same old same old politicians....she is not a politician and neither is Trump. We'll see what happens to her, her platform is a tough one and not a lot of people voted. Abolishing ICE and things like free tuition and Medicare for everyone...we'll see. Extreme right wing beliefs, she is a Bern lover...
Regardless of party, her win is a message to your crusty old politicians.
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Posted: June 28 2018 at 13:37 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Alexandria Cortez just beat a 10 term incumbent in NY as a dem socialist, that's a message she sent. We are tired of the same old same old politicians....she is not a politician and neither is Trump. We'll see what happens to her, her platform is a tough one and not a lot of people voted. Abolishing ICE and things like free tuition and Medicare for everyone...we'll see. Extreme right wing beliefs, she is a Bern lover...
Regardless of party, her win is a message to your crusty old politicians. |
As an old commie pinko, I'm tinkled pink (geez-us) by Cortez's win but that could only happen on the planet of New York.
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Posted: June 28 2018 at 15:26 |
SteveG wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Alexandria Cortez just beat a 10 term incumbent in NY as a dem socialist, that's a message she sent. We are tired of the same old same old politicians....she is not a politician and neither is Trump. We'll see what happens to her, her platform is a tough one and not a lot of people voted. Abolishing ICE and things like free tuition and Medicare for everyone...we'll see. Extreme right wing beliefs, she is a Bern lover...
Regardless of party, her win is a message to your crusty old politicians. |
As an old commie pinko, I'm tinkled pink (geez-us) by Cortez's win but that could only happen on the planet of New York. |
That's pretty funny Steve  . It is sad that I have heard only 40K people voted, clearly the missing votes might harm her against a Republican, when that campaign starts. Again, we will see. I still think her win is a message, even though we are talking two extremes, her severe right wing thinking and Trump's severe issues period , but he is doing better than most thought he would, it's no surprise, he is a businessman. He'll never be a politician, and I am more than fine with that. Also politicians will never have the business savvy that he does......I'm tired of politicians, lying sacks of horse-dung!
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