Has Christianity helped or harmed humanity? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

The T wrote:

Empty space is not alternative space. It's just empty space. The void (unless you start talking about dark matter and more but please don't...)

The void you refer to (or nothingness) cannot be measured scientifically and is only an axiomatic assumption from which to propose scientific questions.

Those well-known endless causal explanation for a.... universe from nothing imply that there is a cosmic substratum beyond our observable Universe that provides the basis for the existence of space/time and the source for its mass/energy.

The T wrote:

The natural state of man is probably zero belief. Beliefs are created.

So...... by your logic, what then causes the artificial creation of beliefs ??... I tend to disagree with this statement........in my book there is no assumptions when there is no belief....

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Edited by Tillerman88 - February 23 2017 at 14:04

Before there was Christianity there was war and killing.

Tillerman88 wrote:

The T wrote:

The natural state of man is probably zero belief. Beliefs are created.

So...... by your logic, what then causes the artificial creation of beliefs ??...

We tend to dislike the unknown for pretty obvious reasons, so when a simple explanations are presented that reduces the number of unknowns we are more likely to accept them than complicated ones and we are even more likely to accept them when most of our companions also accept them, even more so when their king, emperor or feudal lord tells them to. Throughout history and in every culture what each god does is more or less the same, they give reasons for all the unknown stuff that bothers us and all they demand in return is our gratitude and undying worship. We create beliefs that reduce the number "we just don't know" answers into something manageable that we can accept without having to think too much.

Tillerman88 wrote:

I tend to disagree with this statement........in my book there is no assumptions when there is no belief....

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Not sure I understand this sentence, notwithstanding grammatically it should either read "there are no assumptions" or "there is no assumption", if there are no assumptions in an explanation then there is no need for belief but I cannot see how there can be no assumptions in an explanation when there is no belief

What?

timothy leary wrote:

Before there was Christianity there was war and killing.

Not surprisingly, there were religious wars and religious persecution prior to Christianity...or Islam for that matter. Christianity and Islam merely picked up where previous religions left off, blessing the boys as they marched off to fight. After all, there's nothing more important in war than having god on your side as you slaughter your enemy.

Edited by The Dark Elf - February 24 2017 at 05:00

...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...

Both but I fear the damages done in whatever deity's name far outweigh the good.
Some times I wish I was a religious man though. Being able to cleanse oneself of poor/disastrous/evil doings with a few hail Marys and our lord's prayer have together with olive oil and vegetables made the mediterrenean peoples live far longer and less guilty lives than us Scandinavian heathens. That's what I got from talking to this old Italian guy last year

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Dean wrote:

timothy leary wrote:

Before there was Christianity there was war and killing.

Sure, so what's wrong with having one more pointless reason eh?

Are you asking me or telling me.

timothy leary wrote:

Dean wrote:

timothy leary wrote:

Before there was Christianity there was war and killing.

Sure, so what's wrong with having one more pointless reason eh?

Are you asking me or telling me.

Hopefully it's rhetorical Steve.

What?