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Posted: February 24 2017 at 11:07
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If there is anything I have learned in my process of understanding the music on this site, identification of innovation in music was already a fickle beast by the time prog came around. Every time I think I can pinpoint a "ahead of its time" performance, somebody points out something obscure, way off the beaten path that did it first.
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Posted: February 24 2017 at 15:07
How can something be ahead of it's time if that time hasn't came. Maybe a better word would be innovative or groundbreaking. The most innovative album as far as prog as we know it has to be arguably ITCOTCK. Some Gentle Giant albums were surprising as well. Lots of Krautrock as well. Yeti by Amon Duul II or UFO by Guru Guru were completely off the deep end.
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Posted: February 24 2017 at 18:12
Thatfabulousalien wrote:
Bigbobby10 wrote:
What prog albums do you think are ahead of its time?'
When I think of this, the first major album that comes in my head is Frank Zappa- Hot Rats which came out in 1969
Why does everyone quote Freak Out and Hot rats, as a Zappaholic I find them to be more 'meh' albums compared to the other stuff around the same time:
was about to jump the OP.. but you'll suffice...
first off.. yeah man. Hot Rats was a frickin great album.. but ahead of its time. come on... every swinging dick was fusing jazz and rock by then. .and some.. like the Allmans.. smoke Zappa's work.
however.. a big however... Freak Out. Find me another album like that... you won't.. for it was ahead of its time.
so much so that... well.. I'll let Frank say it better than I can..
Mr. America, walk on by Your schools that do not teach Mr. America, walk on by The minds that won't be reached
Mr. America try to hide The emptiness that's you inside But once you find that the way you lied And all the corny tricks you tried Will not forestall the rising tide Of hungry freaks, daddy
They won't go for no more Great mid-western hardware store Philosophy that turns away From those who aren't afraid to say what's on their minds The left behinds of the great society
f**king A dude... musically ahead of its time.. and lyrically? sh*t...
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Posted: February 24 2017 at 19:00
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
CapnBearbossa wrote:
^^ In a similar spirit, I'd nominate Larks' Tongues in Aspic by King Crimson (1973)
I guess it depends on what is meant by ahead of it's time. I would agree with LTIA though. I would add the following:
Led Zeppelin - same The New Yardbirds? come on... nope...
Black Sabbath- first two in particular if you had said Blue Cheer... I'd have agreed. So no.. not ahead of their time. They only perfected what others started.
King Crimson - ITCOTCK influential yes.. ahead of its time. It wasn't even the first traditional hard core prog album. The Nice get that honor a year earlier. Nope.
Yes - TYA, CTTE & Relayer ahhh.. no...
ELP - same and BSS more of a case here actually than any of the above as they, more than anyone used new technology thus achieved the massive influence not just in prog but throughout music. Ahead of their time? Nah.. they were the first to grasp the possibilities and utlitize them in the theater of what prog offered.
Kraftwerk - Autobahn getting very warm... right country if you want to find truly 'ahead of its time' progressive music not the same old sh*t pseudo intellectual upper class stuff England was churning out by the boatload...but I wouldn't say Kraftwerk...and not Autobahn. NEU! IMO that is the group to look at from there that was truly ahead of its time.
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra interesting... though I might say earlier than that.. perhaps Zeit
Pink Floyd - DSOTM and WYWH (possibly some earlier Floyd as well) nah.. again.. MASSIVELY massively influential.. but nothing ahead of its time.
Edited by micky - February 24 2017 at 19:03
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Posted: February 24 2017 at 19:03
Lots of psych from the time, but I have always felt that Fifty Foot Hose's Cauldron, which came out in 1967, had an experimental and progressive edge on most other similar music of the time, especially with the track "Fantasy". It's notable too for having a variety of homemade synths constructed by the bassist.
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Posted: February 24 2017 at 19:09
Kepler62 wrote:
How can something be ahead of it's time if that time hasn't came.
how it can it NOT be considered ahead of its time if that time hasn't arrived yet.
Ie.. there was nothing that remotely sounded like it previously ... thus I think the actual numbers of prog albums ahead of their time are very limited.
Only three jump immediately to mind. Two classic.. one modern.
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Black Sabbath though were the first true heavy metal band. BLue Cheer were not. That's the difference. BC were just amped up blues rock with shouting. Zeppelin were closer to HM than them.
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Posted: February 24 2017 at 19:23
all heavy metal is is highly amped amp blues/cock rock with more urban industrial angst.... that is why obviously Sabbath made the seemless transition from hard edge blues band to heavy metal. Heavy Metal wasn't from Mars and one listen to Vincebus Eruptum (very metal indeed haha) shows the slipperly slope between them and why so many do call Blue Cheer the first Heavy Metal band.
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No, I think Black Sabbath stripped away the blues element pretty early on and by the time Judas Priest came around it was pretty much gone completely(aside from maybe a few things on their very first album).
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Bigbobby10 wrote:
how it can it NOT be considered ahead of its time if that time hasn't arrived yet. 
