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Thatfabulousalien
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Topic: Music as Art Posted: April 03 2017 at 01:28 |
ART AS MUSIC
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Roman3560
Forum Newbie Joined: April 03 2017 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 1 |
Posted: April 03 2017 at 01:22 |
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Swandezvous
Forum Newbie Joined: March 30 2017 Location: Oregon Status: Offline Points: 8 |
Posted: March 31 2017 at 13:56 |
Art is a word, and a word drives it's value from what it communicates. Music communicates, and fulfills the same property as a word. All of them require context, and that is an ancient tradition.
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Upbeat Tango Monday
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 10 2015 Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Points: 1189 |
Posted: March 30 2017 at 07:46 |
Music is art. It has nothing to do with the origin of the band, the number of albums sold or the genre. If humanity ends and some aliens come down to earth and find a Britney Spears record inside a vault, they will listen to it and decide that's art right away.
Of course, Prog rock used to sell like crazy in the 70's. It was pretty mainstream and some bands jumped right into it...and then they went pop in the 80's. So, back in the 70s prog wasn't art because it was mainstream? Hell no. If more people can live their lives by making music, the better for us music fans =) Even countries like North Korea where there's almost no music (since normal folks have no instruments and no means of listening to it; music is just burgoise leisure, and trade is forbidden) have kids who play the guitar as instructed by the authority and only in official celebrations. Even that manufactured thing born out of fear is art, art inside a country were music wouldn't exist otherwise. So yeah. Music is an art form, always. |
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Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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uduwudu
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
Posted: March 22 2017 at 02:41 |
Punk regarded prog as pretentious.
What a nerve. With prog you got great ideas, brilliant musicianship and a way of elevating rock and pop into a sophisticated level rivaling classical music so much John Williams responded with his band Sky. Boundaries were blurred and glories achieved. It's not for nothing that the 1970s are tinged with this "golden era" ideal. Punk had basic rock and roll (only often way more horrendous) before that turned into new wave and new art rock. You can't stop intent to express no matter how much you try Johnny. I really didn't like punk trying to make the dunce of the class into king of the world. All they did was create pop and social cultural fear, truly back in the USSR. Open minds versus knuckle heads any day. Having said that there is much laughter to be had from the more fanatical and narrow minded in the extreme noise maker categories. Which is not all punks. I remember turning up at a punk thrash years ago. They wondered what someone like me (long haired type) was doing there (curiosity) and were actually very nice. Set me an example as I am not being a pretentious prog snob. ;) |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 20 2017 at 11:51 |
As I said, we can't even agree on what music is, let alone decide whether it is art or not, and the same is true of every art-form. If we impose boundaries on what we regard art to be then those boundaries are defined by our prejudices not our preferences, so commenting on what is and is not art speaks more about our prejudices (and, it has to be said, our education) than it does about the art we are purporting to comment upon. Once we start discussing the worth and value of art as being two sides of two different coins then all subjective judgements we make become trivial and without merit - what separates art from craft is not commercialism but merely perception of value over worth - and we reflect this in the language we use when discussing art and this especially true in music where all recorded works are set with same stickered ticket-price regardless of their actual value to us, and that's the difference between being priceless and worthless.
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 16146 |
Posted: March 19 2017 at 15:17 |
Hi, Nicely written, Dean. It's hard to discuss this in America, because things here are way too commercial, and the music scene has been so since Woodstock, when a few folks realized ... half a million sales? And there is the famous story of the follow up, for the greed and what not. Check the Tom Dowd story in his early days, for more on this! In Wisconsin (Madison, specifically) we went to see Steve Miller, Ben Vereen, Otis Redding (sadly never arrived as the plane fell into the semi frozen lake), Jimi, Janis, Doors, Chicago, not because they were "art", but because they spoke for us a lot more than the bubble gum rendition of the AM radio band that ran the gamut ... FM, did not really start kicking here until probably 1968 and 1969, when all of these folk's music kinda disappeared from the AM band, and turned up in the FM band, along with a lot of new things few people knew and got happy and attached to. This has been my experience. I ONLY reflect some of the works as art, when the ambition, is much further away from us in terms of the literary/art/music history ... a work that sticks to your mind and will not go away. For me, for example, Passion Play, TFTO, TlLDOB, Tommy, and many other things, are ambitious works that in many ways went beyond the idea of just a pop song, even if some parts or pieces became so famous, as was the case with Tommy. By the end of the 60's (in America!), I really thought, and still do, that rock music (includes folk and jazz -- kinda meaning stuff done by our generation) was becoming a lot more inventive and creative than the majority of classical music, which ended up re-starting the "hero" and "fame" routine for many of its most well known musicians (not that some were not already well known before ... just like movie stars!), and totally forgot the music itself ... even Leonard Bernstein (earlier) had gone "rock" (so to speak) with West Side Story, which had very little to show for "classical" and a lot to do with "movie musical" and a lot more inventive in the emotional side of things, which was one of the major ideas in rock music, not necessarily pop music. The NY dance and theater scene was incredible and had a lot of well developed things as well, even if defining these as art, would have a lot of people going ... you're kidding me ... and force an evaluation of what art really is, as is the case with Andy Warhol! Turn on the camera and watch two people sleep! Paris and London were no different. The perfect image for me on this, is Jethro Tull's cover for "Passion Play" ... it felt to me like classical works were over and it was time for something else ... and it was OUR GENERATION that stood up and pretty much blasted the rest of the music waves ... to our great appreciation. My definition of art, is spotty, and like everyone else's can be easily dismantled ... with only one difference ... for me "art" is not about my preferences! And I think this is an important point to be made about it all. I was not a great fan of Miles Davis, but 50 years later, I can see almost the same rebelliousness that Pablo Picasso had ... I do what I want kind of thing ... and some of it is transcendental for many of us, even if we sometimes think that this kind of reactionary work does not necessarily fit to be described as "art".
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 16 2017 at 05:07 |
In the UK at least, during the 60s and 70s Art Rock had an Art College connotation rather than a more high-brow Art Music one. I have read somewhere that Pete Townshend was one of the first to make the association between Pop music and Art (remembering that prior to dropping out and forming The Who he studied Graphics at Ealing Art College alongside Ronnie Wood and Freddy Mercury), essentially putting the Art into Pop (as opposed to Warhol putting the Pop into Art). Though of course Townshend was not the first Art student to form a band and The Who weren't the only band in the mid-60s to be regarded as Art Rock. Pete Brown and Piblokto!'s album 'Things May Come and Things May Go but the Art School Dance Goes on Forever' is a classic example of that Art School/College heritage. From that perspective Floyd can also be regarded as Art College drop-outs (specifically Camberwell College of Arts and Regent Street Polytechnic), though Bowie is more guilt-through-association as he never attended Art School as such (he has 'O' Level Art, which was the secondary school basic qualification that 16-year old's attained in the UK). John Lennon is yet another Art School drop-out (from Liverpool College of Art). This "music made by Art students" was seen as something a little more educated (for want of a better word) than, as Micky would put it, the 'blue-collar' image normally associated with Pop music at the time. That social class distinction of Pop Music being uneducated working class and Classical Music (i.e. Art Music) being University-educated Upper Class is still prevalent over here today to some extent, with these (predominately) middle-class, Art School educated, Art Rock musicians caught in that 'neither one nor t'other' limbo between them, (which is where, as we know, Prog Rock developed from). The idea that Art Rock was a loftier ambition that purported to elevate music out of the musicologist "Pop Music" classification and into the "Art Music" classification that is generally associated with Classical Music, is a later association in the UK, and one I suspect is an import from the USA where Prog Rock and Art Rock were indeed synonymous. As they switched their allegiance to the Punk Rock upstarts in the latter quarter of the 1970s, that British rock journalists regarded Prog Rock as 'pretentious' can be seen as part of that class divide that was then present in Pop Music rather than a dismissal of the notion that Pop Music can be Art (Music). {Muso-Journalists later disdain of Prog Rock was never about the music - it was a faux class-war}.
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20475 |
Posted: March 16 2017 at 04:45 |
Did you ever have a day when musical art sounds like wall papar?
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Kepler62
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 09 2017 Location: Fort Erie Status: Offline Points: 501 |
Posted: March 16 2017 at 04:02 |
Finally someone hits the nail on the head. Art is something that is done on a computer. Paintbrush? What's that?
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: March 16 2017 at 02:28 |
Scott Walker (circa 1984 - present) has been put forward on a number of occasions to be included into PA but has been omitted (for want of a better word) because his music has been dubbed "Art Rock" not Prog. So therefore, some Music must be Art? Mustn't it?
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 15 2017 at 17:07 |
^ In the US yeah, but I think in Europe, Artrock was more specific to VU, Bowie, and though some don't like the idea, Pink Floyd.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 15 2017 at 16:53 |
When I first got into prog rock, art rock was synonymous...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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zravkapt
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Posted: March 10 2017 at 05:43 |
These days music is just background noise in video games/movies/tv shows.
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Tillerman88
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 31 2015 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 495 |
Posted: March 10 2017 at 02:13 |
Music as art?....Art as music??... come on..............
Music did begin as a ritualistic form of expression, then evolved into an artistic form of expression. Nuff said. That said, I really couldn't care less whether my statement is correct or not, after all I know just one thing about art: it's NOT about correctness. Better saying , art has NOTHING to do with correctness.
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Thatfabulousalien
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 27 2016 Location: Aussie/NZ Status: Offline Points: 1409 |
Posted: March 10 2017 at 01:36 |
Please refer to my previous comments, I think it was obvious I was trolling, lol
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Dean
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Posted: March 10 2017 at 01:31 |
pft! We can't even agree on what music is, let alone decide whether it is art or not.
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Thatfabulousalien
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 27 2016 Location: Aussie/NZ Status: Offline Points: 1409 |
Posted: March 10 2017 at 00:26 |
Sorry, I just can't accept music as art, it doesn't express anything
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 09 2017 at 23:53 |
...and just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, the Sugar Hill Gang came along and sampled the Seebach cover to make Jump On It!
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Tapfret
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Posted: March 09 2017 at 23:19 |
No worse than what the drummer appears to be doing.
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