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    Posted: March 18 2017 at 18:25
I´m very interested in when/what was the genesis of Prog-Metal as there really doesn´t seem to be a consensus at all on this subject. Some people argue as back as early 70`s while others push it to late 80`s.
Wich was the first Prog-Metal song for you? Wich was the first prog metal band?
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For me, Sabbath, for the down-tuning and tritones
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What's interesting is that metal itself was considered a form of progressive rock, Sabbath included, and so by its nature heavy metal was prog metal; Sabbath, Priest, Queen, Scorps, UFO, Maiden, Ozzy, Angel Witch, MSG, Rising Force, Voivod; each a form of metal (or in some cases heavy rock), all progressive by nature.   Additionally there were smaller acts that quietly contributed and only occasionally got their due such as A.F.T., Uli Roth's Electric Sun.






Edited by Atavachron - March 18 2017 at 19:21
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^ .........and BUDGIE !! Let's not forget Budgie.
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For me it was early Black Sabbath and the first four Alice Cooper albums had a lot of proggy tracks.



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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ .........and BUDGIE !! Let's not forget Budgie.

Uh,  more like let's not forget Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and Rush. King Crimson too. Yeah Budgie also. 

Modern prog metal started in the mid eighties with Fates Warning, Queensryche and Watchtower(especially these guys although hey are more obscure). However, as was said the seeds for prog metal go way back. I think you can trace it back toa  band called High Tide who were early prog and early metal at the same time. Then LZ, DP, Black Sabbath, Atomic Rooster, Lucifer's Friend and all the other usual suspects. Some bands were heavy on the metal and not so heavy on the prog but as far as prog metal goes I think Uriah Heep and Rush were prototypes of the genre with some stuff by Black Sabbath and King Crimson being important as well.


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^ So true
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ So true

Which one? Tongue
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Voivod, Fates Warning and Watchtower
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2017 at 23:09
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ So true


Which one? Tongue
That's cheating    All you mention (in your edit) minus your 80's selection. But it's all quite obvious. I still am not familiar with Watchtower (I should be) but can see the developments within the rest.
I also would like to give an honourable mention to the incredible power-trio MAY BLITZ. These guys have flown under the radar for far too long. About time they are out in the open, so to speak. Way ahead of their time.
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If you go to the metal music archives site you will find a plethora of these proto metal/ proto prog metal bands. They have them listed as proto metal but a lot of them have prog elements too as you can imagine. 
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The term 'progressive metal' was being used in California as early as 1980 in reference to bands as Iron Maiden ~ several years before acts as Watchtower existed, and in wide use by 1984 (many years after High Tide or Led Zeppelin who had almost nothing to do with progressive metal) .

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The term 'progressive metal' was being used in California as early as 1980 in reference to bands as Iron Maiden ~ several years before acts as Watchtower existed, and in wide use by 1984 (many years after High Tide or Led Zeppelin who had almost nothing to do with progressive metal) .


That's all well and good but we all know that terms can and do change with time. Heavy metal itself was used in a much broader way then it eventually was to be used. Also, even "progressive rock" was used in a slightly different way even before ITCOTCK was released. So it doesn't surprise me that even progressive metal could be used in a different way then it was eventually used. Iron Maiden and even Metallica did have some progressive elements but they weren't really part of the scene that came to be known as prog metal. 

As for LZ or HT having barely anything to do with prog metal well ok but then neither did any band back then especially since the genre was in a proto stage at best. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

If you go to the metal music archives site you will find a plethora of these proto metal/ proto prog metal bands. They have them listed as proto metal but a lot of them have prog elements too as you can imagine. 
The Metal Archives is an amazing site - however, I couldn't find The Dillinger Escape Plan listed. Never mind. They included Budgie

Edited by Tom Ozric - March 19 2017 at 01:10
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

If you go to the metal music archives site you will find a plethora of these proto metal/ proto prog metal bands. They have them listed as proto metal but a lot of them have prog elements too as you can imagine. 
The Metal Archives is an amazing site - however, I couldn't find The Dillinger Escape Plan listed. Never mind. They included Budgie

Not Metal Archives, Metal Music Archives: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/

Much better and much more inclusive. Wink
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^ Thanx Pastmaster. You and Jonas (Umur) are my 'go to' guys for Metal. I am no longer a Prog snob.........
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From the 70's with Uriah Heep, Rush and Kansas ...

To the 80's with Queensryche, Heir Apparent and Fates Warning ...

To end, in the 90's to nowadays with Dream Theater, Pain Of Salvation and Leprous ...
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Duh. In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida by Iron Butterfly (1968).

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^Going to have t disagree with you on this one. Any criteria that makes In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida a prog-metal progenitor also existed in Time Has Come Today by The Chambers Bros (album version)the year earlier. 
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How is there no mention of Eloy or Hawkwind yet? The original space metal bands:




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