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Posted: June 26 2017 at 01:06 |
 M27Barney wrote:
I think that "The Battle of Epping Forest" is seen unfavourably because it is on the same vinyl as three of the finest symphonic progressive rock tracks EVER written. I just wish that Genesis could have recorded it as a double album and extended the hell out of it.....Imagine Side A. Dancing out with a Moonlit Knight (18:22) I Know what I like in your Wardrobe (6:02) More Fool Me (2:38) Side B. Firth of Fifth (24:33) Side C. Battle of Epping Forest (22:19) After The Ordeal (2:07) Side D. Cinema Show (25:00) Aisle of Plenty (2:18)
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This is honestly a genius idea, I think it could work very well. As for not liking Epping Forest, I personally don't blame the quality of the other tracks as its downfall. I think from a musical point of view, Gabriel sings waaaaaay too much and gives the instruments no time to breathe and really experiment with the song. The only part I like from Epping is the epic army drum section.
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Scorpius
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Posted: June 26 2017 at 01:01 |
1. Firth of Fifth2.Dancing With the Moonlit Night 3. Cinema Show 4. After the Ordeal 5. I Know What I Like (In your wardrobe) 6. Aisle of Plenty (yes i meant to put this above epping forest) 7. The Battle of Epping Forest 8. More Fool Me
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Posted: June 23 2017 at 17:27 |
The Battle of Epping Forest-several cool melodies and a bit fun 8.5/10 The Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty-pretty good apart from a couple of cringeworthy lyrics 8/10 Dancing With The Moonlit Knight-boring start but fairly good after 7.5/10 Firth of Fifth-good but depressing 7/10 I Know What I Like-not bad 7/10 After The Ordeal-not bad 7/10 More Fool Me-crap 5/10
Good album. Almost an 8/10 Better than Nursery for sure
Edited by dr prog - June 23 2017 at 17:49
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Posted: June 23 2017 at 07:08 |
1. The Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty 2. Firth of Fifth 3. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight 4. After the Ordeal 5. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) 6. The Battle of Epping Forest 7. More Fool Me
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Posted: June 22 2017 at 19:48 |
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1. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
2. Firth of Fifth
3. I Know What I Like
4. Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty
5. The Battle Of Epping Forest
6. More Fool Me
7. After The Ordeal
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Posted: June 22 2017 at 17:04 |
1. Firth of Fifth
2. Cinema Show/
Aisle of Plenty
3. After the
Ordeal
4. The Battle of
Epping Forest
5. Dancing with
the Moonlit Knight
6. I Know What I
Like (In your wardrobe)
7. More Fool Me
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Posted: June 08 2017 at 05:28 |
Moonlit Epping Ordeal Cinema Fifth Werdrobe Fool Yeah, I'm kind of sick of Fifth - heard it too much
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M27Barney
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Posted: June 08 2017 at 05:08 |
I think that "The Battle of Epping Forest" is seen unfavourably because it is on the same vinyl as three of the finest symphonic progressive rock tracks EVER written. I just wish that Genesis could have recorded it as a double album and extended the hell out of it..... Imagine Side A. Dancing out with a Moonlit Knight (18:22) I Know what I like in your Wardrobe (6:02) More Fool Me (2:38) Side B. Firth of Fifth (24:33) Side C. Battle of Epping Forest (22:19) After The Ordeal (2:07) Side D. Cinema Show (25:00) Aisle of Plenty (2:18)
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Posted: June 07 2017 at 22:22 |
1.- Firth of Fifth 2.- Cinema Show/Aisle 3.- Dancing 4.- Battle 5.- After the Ordeal 6.- IKWIL 7.- MFM
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Posted: June 07 2017 at 17:46 |
1. Dancing With the Moonlit Knight 2. Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty 3. Firth of Fifth 4. I Know What I Like 5. Battle of Epping Forest 6. After the Ordeal 7. More Fool Me
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Posted: June 02 2017 at 13:15 |
I love Epping Forest, but I understand why it's so controversial. I think the main issue is that it's an 11 minute epic that's almost 100% vocal driven, in a genre where fans often seem to rarely care for vocals, and indeed sometimes see them only as a (un)necessary evil between the parts of the song that are actually good.
I also think that it's a bit stagnant. Get Em Out By Friday was vocal-driven, but seems to have a lot more variation and things going on, despite being significantly shorter. It's got different themes and melodies for each character, and general shifts in tone. Epping, by contrast, has only a handful of melodies that get repeated over and over. Really the bit with the Reverend is the only diversity the song has outside of the intro.
I still love the song because I think it's a great tour de force from Gabriel, with all sorts of wordplay and skillfully bringing a whole bunch of characters to life. But I think it suffers from being maybe a good three or four minutes too long, and starts to wear out its welcome towards the end. I'd give it a 4/5, but I can also see why people would give it a 1/5.
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Posted: June 02 2017 at 12:39 |
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^"We guard your souls for peanuts,
And we guard your shops and houses
For just a little more."
along with
"In with a left hook is the Bethnal Green Butcher,
But he's countered on the right by Mick's chain-gang fight,"
pretty much spelled it out that 'Epping Forest concerned itself with gang territorialism, clashes, and some reference to the Teddy Boy Wars. No opaque view here by this Yank.
Edited by Rednight - June 02 2017 at 12:40
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M27Barney
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Posted: June 02 2017 at 10:47 |
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"They called me the Reverend when I entered the church unstained....My employers have changed but the name has remained...." I think that non-brits just don't get the England gangland vibe and the way that Gabriel's poetry paints a picture that takes me right back to 1973....if you weren't there then that would be hard!
Edited by M27Barney - June 02 2017 at 10:48
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Posted: May 26 2017 at 20:15 |
1. The Cinema Show 2. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 3. Firth Of Firth 4. I Know What I Like... 5. Aisle Of Plenty 6. After The Ordeal 7. More Fool Me 8. The Battle Of Epping Forest
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Posted: May 26 2017 at 19:21 |
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I was bothered more by Catcher 10 rating After the Ordeal last. That's the best track for my money.
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Posted: May 26 2017 at 09:37 |
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^More Fool Me came out two years before he married his first wife, the only one of three to whom an affair with a painter/decorator was credited. And how can someone who drums like that have bad rhythm in the sack?
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M27Barney
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Posted: May 26 2017 at 05:24 |
"More Fool Me" was- phil again lamenting on his abject failure with the ladies, since his wives seemed like they preferred painters & decorators , he clearly wasn't as good at shagging as he was drumming!!! Or maybe he used to sing at them perhaps?
Catcher 10 - You CANNOT seriously rate MFM as the best track - that has got to be a piss-take, right?
Edited by M27Barney - May 26 2017 at 05:27
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 09:44 |
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1) More Fool Me
2) Cinema Show~Aisle of Plenty
3) Firth Of Fifth
4) Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
5) Battle of Epping Forest
6) I Know What I Like (In your Wardrobe)
7) After the Ordeal
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Rednight
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 08:57 |
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I won't say that More Fool Me is "awful." It does sound like it could have been a bonus track on Flaming Youth's Ark 2.
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 07:45 |
M27Barney wrote:
The Battle of Epping Forest is possibly one of progs most underrated tracks, absolutely brilliant lyrics with some of the best word-plays ever heard on vinyl - and I think that the music is excellent and quirky (probably why its underrated) - this track should have been extended out to suppers ready length - what a treat that would have been!
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I don’t think The Battle of Epping Forest is underrated at all. If anything, it’s overrated, because, IMHO, it has nothing going for it. Gabriel never shuts up. The musical material doesn’t sustain it’s length at all. This could have been a 4-5 minute piece, but they stretched it out so much that it becomes tedious to listen to.
Edited by Mirror Image - May 24 2017 at 07:46
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