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From the above 2 comments it seems that you had to have been "there" i.e. the 70s, when the albums were actually released to appreciate them.
The again, WA just may not be everyone's "cup of tea". But they were my "cup of tea".
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For me the appeal of WA was the duel guitar of Powell and (Ted) Turner and the lovely harmony leads they perform together so my 'era' ended in 1974.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Don't believe I've ever heard it.


I've heard it several times. Never liked it. Almost feel guilty for saying that, as it seems to be universally loved by every rock fan over the age of 40. I need to find out what the magic is.

I like it a lot. :/
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Don't believe I've ever heard it.


I've heard it several times. Never liked it. Almost feel guilty for saying that, as it seems to be universally loved by every rock fan over the age of 40. I need to find out what the magic is.

The magic of WA ends at Argus for me. With the exception of a song here or there, I just can't get into their music after Argus. 
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The San-Fran band Quicksilver Messenger Service had the amazing twin-guitar thing down pat years before WA. No-one considers them as Progressive.........just sayin'. Gimme Cippo and Duncan over Turner and Powell.........
Then give me Murray/Smith (Iron Maiden) and there's the 'holy trinity' of brilliant twin-leads

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The cover is prog.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

The San-Fran band Quicksilver Messenger Service had the amazing twin-guitar thing down pat years before WA. No-one considers them as Progressive.........just sayin'. Gimme Cippo and Duncan over Turner and Powell.........
Then give me Murray/Smith (Iron Maiden) and there's the 'holy trinity' of brilliant twin-leads
Hmm, Iron Maiden have two guitarists but didn't really do harmony leads. I'm unfamiliar with any Americana you care to bring up (and intend to keep it that way), so you'll have to enlighten me on whether the QMS employed simultaneously harmonised lead solos in the way that WA are accepted to have pioneered, but other Americana bands with two guitarists, such as the Grateful Dead, generally didn't. Most twin-guitarist bands share lead duties with alternating solos and call-and-response solos but true harmony leads are a rare thing. Maybe Micky's favourites, the Allman Bros., employed harmony leads, they seem to be credited with everything else Wink
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^ Um, well......you got me there regarding Quicksilver, but Maiden harmonised I'm sure. I need to get back to Argus and open my ears some more.......
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Put it to a poll: the best twin-lead guitar band?
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ Um, well......you got me there regarding Quicksilver, but Maiden harmonised I'm sure. I need to get back to Argus and open my ears some more.......


I seem to remember Maiden using harmony lead guitar quite a lot on the first three albums.

I revisited Argus this morning for the first time in many years. Got through the first three tracks before having to go to work. Not bad. Potential three stars, but as yet I still can't hear what's so ground breaking or brilliant about it. Not prog.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

The San-Fran band Quicksilver Messenger Service had the amazing twin-guitar thing down pat years before WA. No-one considers them as Progressive.........just sayin'. Gimme Cippo and Duncan over Turner and Powell......... 
 
Ibeg to differ...
 
I'd like one day to see QMS in PA's database under Prog-Related ... And believe me, their proggiest albums are their later ones >> Shady Grove, What About, Call On Me or Comin' Thru are all great slight-prog albums
 
I'll also take Cipo& Duncan over T&P, but not over the Maidens.
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^^ The 'real' stuff is on side 2 - which is how I think the album is ; 3 star side 1 (nice bass riff in Sometime World especially) but side 2 is almost flawless - 4.5 stars.

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

The San-Fran band Quicksilver Messenger Service had the amazing twin-guitar thing down pat years before WA. No-one considers them as Progressive.........just sayin'. Gimme Cippo and Duncan over Turner and Powell.........†
Ibeg to differ...
I'd like one day to see QMS in PA's database under Prog-Related ... And believe me, their proggiest albums are their later ones >> Shady Grove, What About, Call On Me or Comin' Thru are all great slight-prog albums
I'll also take Cipo& Duncan over T&P, but not over the Maidens.
Hugues, you got in just before me
I do think QMS deserve a place on this site. They had a great run of albums.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

The San-Fran band Quicksilver Messenger Service had the amazing twin-guitar thing down pat years before WA. No-one considers them as Progressive.........just sayin'. Gimme Cippo and Duncan over Turner and Powell......... 
 
Ibeg to differ...
 
I'd like one day to see QMS in PA's database under Prog-Related ... And believe me, their proggiest albums are their later ones >> Shady Grove, What About, Call On Me or Comin' Thru are all great slight-prog albums
 
I'll also take Cipo& Duncan over T&P, but not over the Maidens.
Hugues, you got in just before me
I do think QMS deserve a place on this site. They had a great run of albums.
 
Two of those albums also feature plentuy of brass : Call On Me and Comin' Thru (which may end up as mu fave album of theirs...
 
Too bad the reunion album from 75 (simply called Quicksilver) is av total dud.
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^ Solid Silver is O.K. Some good tunes. I too, like the added horns on those albums.
And the debut from WA is my absolute fave (if I haven't mentioned earlier )
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ Um, well......you got me there regarding Quicksilver, but Maiden harmonised I'm sure. I need to get back to Argus and open my ears some more.......


I seem to remember Maiden using harmony lead guitar quite a lot on the first three albums.  
Is there? My vague recollection is they were playing identical leads simultaneously, just as they do on the riffs, but it's been a while since I last listened to Ironing Maiden..
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ Um, well......you got me there regarding Quicksilver, but Maiden harmonised I'm sure. I need to get back to Argus and open my ears some more.......


I seem to remember Maiden using harmony lead guitar quite a lot on the first three albums. †

Is there? My vague recollection is they were playing identical leads simultaneously, just as they do on the riffs, but it's been a while since I last listened to Ironing Maiden..


It's been some time for me too. I may be 'mis-remembering' It may be, as you say, that Murray and Smith were just playing the same thing at times.
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Good band, great album. I don't consider it Prog but if others do then it is, by definition, Prog.

Prog is in the eye of the beholder. 

Who am I to tell someone that the death metal their listening to is not, in fact, Prog?


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So everything is prog just because one person says it is? Sorry, can't buy into that concept. 

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Why can't this thread be over already?
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