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Never thought of it as prog  back in the day when it came out...it was just rock to me with a few longer songs.
I suppose prog related is as good a category as anything else since Zep is also prog related. and imho they aren't any more prog than Zep..
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric<br>And the debut from WA is my absolute fave (if I haven't mentioned earlier <img src=smileys/smiley5.gif border=0 align=middle /> )<br>[/QUOTE Tom Ozric
And the debut from WA is my absolute fave (if I haven't mentioned earlier )
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Tom, I believe you live in the States. You might like to start planning a trip to the UK at the back end of 2018 as Martin Turner h

Tom, I believe you live in the States. You might like to start planning a trip to the UK at the back end of 2018 as Martin Turner has just announced that his band will be including a full performance of the whole of the WA first album in their shows then. Including the often-requested song Handy which I don't believe any lineup of WA has performed live since 1971.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mascodagama Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2017 at 14:19
^ I saw Martin Turner's Wishbone Ash play in Camden a few years ago. They are worth crossing the street to see, but not really the Atlantic.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2017 at 19:52
Originally posted by AlanB AlanB wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric<br />And the debut from WA is my absolute fave (if I haven't mentioned earlier <img src=smileys/smiley5.gif border=0 align=middle /> )<br /></td></tr></table><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Tom, I believe you live in the States. You might like to start planning a trip to the UK at the back end of 2018 as Martin Turner has just announced that his band will be including a full performance of the whole of the WA first album in their shows then. Including the often-requested song Handy which I don't believe any lineup of WA has performed live since 1971.</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div>[/QUOTE Tom Ozric
And the debut from WA is my absolute fave (if I haven't mentioned earlier )


Tom, I believe you live in the States. You might like to start planning a trip to the UK at the back end of 2018 as Martin Turner has just announced that his band will be including a full performance of the whole of the WA first album in their shows then. Including the often-requested song Handy which I don't believe any lineup of WA has performed live since 1971.


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No, my friend - Australia !!
I did see Marty's WA in NYC a few years back (they billed with Nektar).
Handy. Love that track, as you know.........
No, my friend - Australia !!
I did see Marty's WA in NYC a few years back (they billed with Nektar).
Handy. Love that track, as you know.........
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The first 4 lps were tasteful rock with some west coast mildly psych elements, some folk rock elements, some occasional quirky blues/jazz elements like early Tull without the flutes and some rocking out moments. 4 great, really nicely crafted lps in my opinion but not Prog. Fleetwood Mac with Peter Green were similar but with stronger blues and psych elements. I worked with WA in 1981 (Just testing) which was great but then 'Number the brave' which was awful..
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Most Prog fans would probably enjoy Argus but that doesn't necessarily mean it's fully fledged Prog, just that it's adventurous and imaginative Rock created by highly skilled musicians who couldn't possibly have originated from anyplace other than England.
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They're probably my favorite band. But no, I don't consider that album to be prog(all time great album though).
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Of course it is prog rock. I'll leave it to the whomever to decide what sort of place to file it. But it's a more or less themed album. It just doesn't have keyboards. Slide guitar gets used but no tracks are blues based. It's just done differently to the usual early 70s formula. Or is that the problem?
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I say that it's 'Proggy enough' without being full-blown Prog ala Yes, Crimso etc. just a different kind of 'Progressive Rock' if you will.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2017 at 04:48
Originally posted by AlanB AlanB wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric<br>And the debut from WA is my absolute fave (if I haven't mentioned earlier <img src=smileys/smiley5.gif border=0 align=middle /> )<br></td></tr></table>
</div><div><br></div><div>Tom, I believe you live in the States. You might like to start planning a trip to the UK at the back end of 2018 as Martin Turner has just announced that his band will be including a full performance of the whole of the WA first album in their shows then. Including the often-requested song Handy which I don't believe any lineup of WA has performed live since 1971.</div><div><br>[/QUOTE Tom Ozric
And the debut from WA is my absolute fave (if I haven't mentioned earlier )

Tom, I believe you live in the States. You might like to start planning a trip to the UK at the back end of 2018 as Martin Turner has just announced that his band will be including a full performance of the whole of the WA first album in their shows then. Including the often-requested song Handy which I don't believe any lineup of WA has performed live since 1971.

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I saw them play an acoustic set at a small hall 5 minutes walk from my house a few weeks ago. Great show!
I saw them play an acoustic set at a small hall 5 minutes walk from my house a few weeks ago. Great show!
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Don't believe I've ever heard it.


I've heard it several times. Never liked it. Almost feel guilty for saying that, as it seems to be universally loved by every rock fan over the age of 40. I need to find out what the magic is.


The magic is (obviously) that you have to be over 40!!!!


I'm 48. From what I remember it sounds like fairly middle of the road blues based rock with the ocassional twist and turn. I saw them - or a manifestation of them - at a festival back in 2010 and they seemed to play for about 2 hours. Then Steve Hackett came on and played a blinding set lasting just 30mins. It was all a bit disappointing.
Ah, High Voltage! Funnily enough one of the photos appeared on my FB page yesterday, can't believe it was 7 years ago now. I can't remember which incarnation of WA it was, but you're right about Hackett, he was sensational and there was a reason why he was cut short I think, but I can't remember what it was. I also remember Nick Beggs in a leather skirt!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2017 at 05:26
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Don't believe I've ever heard it.


I've heard it several times. Never liked it. Almost feel guilty for saying that, as it seems to be universally loved by every rock fan over the age of 40. I need to find out what the magic is.


The magic is (obviously) that you have to be over 40!!!!


I'm 48. From what I remember it sounds like fairly middle of the road blues based rock with the ocassional twist and turn. I saw them - or a manifestation of them - at a festival back in 2010 and they seemed to play for about 2 hours. Then Steve Hackett came on and played a blinding set lasting just 30mins. It was all a bit disappointing.

Ah, High Voltage! Funnily enough one of the photos appeared on my FB page yesterday, can't believe it was 7 years ago now. I can't remember which incarnation of WA it was, but you're right about Hackett, he was sensational and there was a reason why he was cut short I think, but I can't remember what it was. I also remember Nick Beggs in a leather skirt!


I they were running behind schedule, and for some reason thought it more important to allow WA to play for an eternity than give Hackett more time, even though they were lower on the billing. I remember Uriah Heap played all of Demons & Wizards too. That weren't bad.

It was a good day Alan Opeth and ELP were great.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:


It was a good day Alan Opeth and ELP were great.
 
I thought ELP were great as well, at least till I heard the CD of their performance a few weeks later, they didn't sound quite so good then!
 
"Feedback, feedback!" And wasn't there some kind of punch-up back stage?
 
Sorry, gone a bit off-topic now.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:


It was a good day Alan Opeth and ELP were great.

 
I thought ELP were great as well, at least till I heard the CD of their performance a few weeks later, they didn't sound quite so good then!
 
"Feedback, feedback!" And wasn't there some kind of punch-up back stage?
 
Sorry, gone a bit off-topic now.


Yeah, the recording sounded pretty bad, but there I thought the sound was very good. The performance was never going to be as nimble and precise as it was back in the day, but very good nonetheless. Good setlist too! I'm pleased I got to see them before Lake and Emerson sadly passed away.
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Some one really needs to get rid of this Captcha thing....I'm about ready to bail on this forum....

At any rate it amazes me that 20 people think Argus is prog rock......when it's no more proggy that The Who or Zep...who get tagged prog related.
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If I want to 'prog out' I'll put on Close to the Edge, or some Gentle Giant, etc.. But in those moments I don't reach for Argus(even as all time great as it is). Just doesn't fit that kind of mood for me.
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Ever since this thread started I've revisited my copy of Argus to see what I'd been missing. Yesterday though it worked pretty well as a sort of background music for (attempting to) lifting weights. Hard rock blues rock with a few colourful guitar ornamentations here and there but prog? I don't hear it...but then again there are lots of people who think Toto, Boston, The Tubes, Grateful Dead, Dire Straits, Gerry Rafferty and Queen are prog. If that is the yardstick then Argus is the proverbial Foxtrot.
I don't hear it myself.
With all that being said: does the prog tag alter anything about the album? Is it naturally a better release if it's progressive? If so please check out Trout Mask Replica. Lots of progressive tendencies going down.
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^ David, you nailed it !! It's quite irrelevant whether it is PROG or not. A good album, is a good album. Period.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ David, you nailed it !! It's quite irrelevant whether it is PROG or not. A good album, is a good album. Period.


yup you're right, but Argus (which I love) was maybe the band's only (or greatest) argument for inclusion in PA. And Argus is prog enough to be almost (but not quite) full-blown prog

Since it's WA's proggiest by quite a margin, it's normal that WA is not in a full-blown genre. Had Ash done two or three more albums of Argus' prog calibre (I mean the first two are OK too, but not" full-blown" prog), then Wishbone might've found a spot in "heavy prog"


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