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Poll Question: Vote if you like or don't like "Grateful Dead."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hieronymous Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2017 at 09:54
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

So how does all Grateful Dead threads end up with people discussing their relation to prog rock? Sure this is a prog site but still?
I love their live albums, particularly Dick's Picks, but I would never dream of suggesting them for inclusion. Oh well I guess some find it very important to have their fave band stamped with the progressive badge - like it was some kind of honour  
I'd go as far as to say that they were a damn fine blues rock band that flirted around with other styles. Progressive blues perchance? Sorta like Edgar Broughton Band. 


For me it's because a lot of people are only familiar with the more song-oriented stuff or just dismiss them as stupid hippies. But the prog elements were what hooked me - even Uncle John's Band, arguably one of their best known songs, has the 7/4 breakdown at the end. There are live versions where they spin off from there into other songs, and then conclude the mini-suite back at that 7/4 section and then finish up the song. In the end, it doesn't matter how people categorize them - "If you get confused, just listen to the music play"

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Oh and I played Black Star this morning. Yum.

Wait, you were listening to Yngwie J. Malmsteen? Star
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2017 at 15:33
^ perhaps he meant Dark Star, but what do I know?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hieronymous Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2017 at 16:01
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ perhaps he meant Dark Star, but what do I know?

Maybe it's time for a mash-up. Does Yngwie count as prog-metal?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote infocat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2017 at 23:59
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by aglasshouse aglasshouse wrote:

I'm fairly certain that Dean's answer to the topic's question is "no", but that's just a hunch
*shrug* I've not voiced an opinion one way or the other though admittedly I've made no secret of my general lack of interest in most things Americana with such a passion that fails to explain why I like Neil Young as much as I do. If anyone wants to infer that I dislike a band based solely on my posts here then there is little I can do to disabuse them of that since I have merely pointed out the logical errors in some of the comments.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2017 at 01:23
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:



I'll let Dean handle the maths (though, we could add Germany and its 90M population and its countless prog/KR bands)... Better to rate the countries in prog per captaTongueLOL

Yeah, you'd have thought so, but with only 711 artists listed Germany isn't quite the Prog Nation it would at first seem to be.  

As for Prog per capita:
Countrypop (million)No. PA artistsĶProg per capita
gb65116017.85
i6194315.46
nl1723113.59
f666279.50
d807118.89
usa32021866.83
j1272982.35

Once again, I merely present the numbers, how anyone interprets them is entirely up to them.


Thanks for that, too. Wink


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The weird thing about TGD, is that Phish, the band who was some kind of Dead clone and owes everything to them, they've been in PA for at least a half-decade or so

This is almost as laughable as Tori Amos as a full-prog entry, when her mentor and artistic tissue-donor (for cloning purposes LOL) Kate Bush is only in prog-related ... But at least Kate is in.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2017 at 06:04
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


The weird thing about TGD, is that Phish, the band who was some kind of Dead clone and owes everything to them, they've been in PA for at least a half-decade or so

This is almost as laughable as Tori Amos as a full-prog entry, when her mentor and artistic tissue-donor (for cloning purposes LOL) Kate Bush is only in prog-related ... But at least Kate is in. 
I seldom get bent out of shape over vagaries of additions here, especially where Prog Related is concerned. My view is if they are in then they are in, if they aren't then they aren't. I will occasionally voice my objections to a suggestion but more often will simply point out the flaws in peoples reasoning for wanting a band listed here. Not that I can ever block an addition but if anyone desperately wants a band adding then they should be prepared to run the gauntlet of close examination.

Random thoughts: Jam bands are not a genre of music but a method of playing, therefore they tend to wear two or more hats simultaneously, for example Humphrey's Magee and Ohm lean more towards JR/F than GD whereas Phish lean more towards Prog-Psych than GD; Phish covered DSotM in its entirety whereas GD don't even acknowledge Prog's existence; I suspect that Amos is in Xover for exactly the same reason DCD is in Prog Folk; Amos has more proggy concept albums than Bush; Subjectively Amos is the better musician to boot, not that that counts for anything other than wag the "naughty-naughty" finger at the clone taggers.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tapfret Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2017 at 09:41
To answer the question as presented. Yes, I do not like them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mlkpad14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2017 at 13:47
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

To answer the question as presented. Yes, I do not like them.

The question evolved into something very, very different...
Good music isn't dead; it just isn't on radio.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2017 at 15:46
Originally posted by mlkpad14 mlkpad14 wrote:

Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

To answer the question as presented. Yes, I do not like them.


The question evolved into something very, very different...


It's more of a directive than a question as presented. I actually got a bit confused with "Vote if you like or don't like Grateful Dead", "Yes" or "No."   Asking "Do you like Grateful Dead?" would have been so much simpler for my addled brain to figure out. Even then the answer would not be obvious to me because I like some Grateful Dead music and don't like other GD music. I never got into the band in a big way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2017 at 00:36
^ English grammar - confusing Americans since 1776. LOL

Edited by Dean - April 22 2017 at 01:23
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2017 at 04:59
^Perhaps. Unlike your brethren, however, we Americans never thought that Zeuhl was a French dialect.
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French Dalek? 

Allons-y!
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