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Joined: April 05 2006
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Posted: April 08 2017 at 23:11
mechanicalflattery wrote:
stewe wrote:
Merely another reflection of the "western" society and mass media promotion of today's values....
Well that got weird fast...
There's common denominator for all those mentioned things - media. CNN, BBC, NYPost and their aim to shape consumer's way of thinking and perception, telling what he is supposed to like, forcing him what to think, what is right, without questioning it. For those who don't buy that, media induce a feeling of marginalization, stating that you're stinking prog-dinosaur from the Stone age, Russian agent, intolerant, racist and rogue... It's a complex thing that works the same on every level - from education to entertainment, from promoting war to promoting certain "culture".
On the other hand, those articles put aside, we could see Geddy Lee sharing the stage with reunited Yes still in the year 2017 - playing Roundabout together. I believe that is a fulfillment of one of few unreal dreams for many musicians and (prog) rock lovers. So it still can be worse:)
Joined: December 30 2006
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Posted: April 09 2017 at 02:30
stewe wrote:
mechanicalflattery wrote:
stewe wrote:
Merely another reflection of the "western" society and mass media promotion of today's values....
Well that got weird fast...
There's common denominator for all those mentioned things - media. CNN, BBC, NYPost and their aim to shape consumer's way of thinking and perception, telling what he is supposed to like, forcing him what to think, what is right, without questioning it. For those who don't buy that, media induce a feeling of marginalization, stating that you're stinking prog-dinosaur from the Stone age, Russian agent, intolerant, racist and rogue... It's a complex thing that works the same on every level - from education to entertainment, from promoting war to promoting certain "culture".
On the other hand, those articles put aside, we could see Geddy Lee sharing the stage with reunited Yes still in the year 2017 - playing Roundabout together. I believe that is a fulfillment of one of few unreal dreams for many musicians and (prog) rock lovers. So it still can be worse:)
Thanks. Your post was just like a red pill that has opened my eyes to the true state of the world. I'm gonna sell all my transgender rap albums on eBay and send the money to Breitbart. It's such a relief now that my brain isn't being literally forced to think I'm a racist prog dinosaur by those decadent b*****ds at the BBC.
Joined: December 23 2009
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Posted: April 09 2017 at 08:20
stewe wrote:
Merely another reflection of the "western" society and mass media promotion of today's values. Crapper above Yes, trans-gender above family, decadence above enlightenment, disgusting above beautiful, barbarism above civilization. On the same wave with the false-flag chemical attack and Trump's war alongside ISIS/Al-Qaeda, against Syrian secular state.
Huh?
I am sure you have point in here somewhere.....But this is a music website, I get enough of that krapp when watching the Oscars, Grammy's and such.....
Joined: March 09 2007
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Posted: April 09 2017 at 09:11
As many have already expressed, do not expect the media to give it's support to any progressive band. They've not done it for decades, and certainly will not do it now.
Oh and if anyone wants me to up date my taste an listen to rap let me know when there is some music to go with it. Though I too liked Gangsta's Paradise...
There's so much great stuff out there, you just have to look beyond the most popular artists to find the real gems as it's the case with pretty much all genres. I'm by no means a big rap fan but I used to be and still need my dose once in a while. "Gangta's Paradise" is a real cheap rap track, only the Stevie Wonder sample makes it any good..
Here's some great stuff that will hopefully get you past your biases:
Weak lyricism but great prod
Great lyricism, basic prod
That first verse...
One of the best representations of '90s hip-hop
And recently some jazz acts have paired with rappers for really interesting output
Edited by Larkstongue41 - April 09 2017 at 10:39
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Joined: May 01 2007
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Posted: April 09 2017 at 21:40
Don't give a damn if mainstream media hates Yes---I would expect it---although there are some super cool peeps that love them---my main take away from the video of hall of fame---is Rick went on too long and there wasn't enough time for Squire's wife to say thank you----and my dream of a classic line up one more time---isn;t going to happen---it;s was clear how much the important people in Yes---at least the ones I think are important--- hate each other. Sad.
I've heard a lot of rap. That's not entirely my fault. But if nearly 100% of what I hear has, shall we say, limited personal appeal, then I can waste my time (as opposed to having my time wasted) with Bruckner or Black Sabbath. Or ELO at the moment...
I know it's the message not the medium.
Speaking of the media and all that... why is it that they don't like prog rock again...? Sincerely, I thought It was now a trendy pop fashion and the hacks want to leap aboard the band wagon.
Not to worry, I can decide between listening to Art Zoyd or Steve Hackett (later) without being told...
Joined: April 30 2015
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Posted: April 10 2017 at 05:33
Larkstongue41 wrote:
And recently some jazz acts have paired with rappers for really interesting output
hey, someone who likes good hip hop :) nice picks
I did a remix of a ghostface track from 12 reasons to die. in the 2nd half of the track I sampled a bit from National Health - Dreams Wide Awake. you might like it https://m.soundcloud.com/spellcheque/ghostface-killah-the-sure-shot-parts-12-sharks-remix
as for tupac, I never really liked his voice for some reason... kind of boring imo.
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Posted: April 10 2017 at 09:47
thebeastmustdie wrote:
Larkstongue41 wrote:
And recently some jazz acts have paired with rappers for really interesting output
hey, someone who likes good hip hop :) nice picks
I did a remix of a ghostface track from 12 reasons to die. in the 2nd half of the track I sampled a bit from National Health - Dreams Wide Awake. you might like it https://m.soundcloud.com/spellcheque/ghostface-killah-the-sure-shot-parts-12-sharks-remix
as for tupac, I never really liked his voice for some reason... kind of boring imo.
Well done ! Most people are more social than music oriented, hence the better response to rap genre.
Joined: April 10 2017
Location: Texas
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Posted: April 10 2017 at 11:23
I agree with The Roots being pretty great. The whole Jazz Rap thing isn't necessarily a new development though. That stuff has been around since the late 80s
Here's a short list of hip hop artists I think would be worth the time to anyone looking for some good stuff with substance.
Sims
The Cunninglynguists
El-P
Busdriver
Open Mike Eagle
Death Grips
Dalek
Tonedeff
Dessa
Shabazz Palaces
As with any genre of music, once you start digging, you'll find the really creative and "progressive" stuff.
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