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Poll Question: Are you a musician?
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    Posted: April 12 2017 at 09:27
I'm classifying a musician as someone who can play beyond what is usually considered beginner level, so if you're starting out please answer no.

The poll will be used as research in my dissertation.

Thanks to all who answer. - Jac
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 10:01
yes
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mlkpad14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 10:41
Prog is a musician's music, but that's only because musicians have truly dove into music. It only makes sense that way, right?

Good music isn't dead, it just isn't on radio. Good art is being made, but you don't go to any museums or hang with the right people.

And if you aren't really looking, what do you expect to find?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WaterSnake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 11:35
Yeah, I think so, I'm thinking in terms of listen-ability, I theorize that musicians find it more natural to listen to prog because their used to following multiple lines at once and can therefor follow complex counterpoint easier. As well as appreciating the composition and virtuosity of the players easier as they understand partly what goes into making something as thoughtful as progressive music.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote mechanicalflattery Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 13:26
The only concern here is whether you have a method of separating those who love prog because they're musicians and those who became musicians because they loved prog. I'd bet many of the musicians on this forum were introduced to prog at a younger age (many here attest to having heard their first prog album during childhood) and were then inspired to study music. At what rate would trained musicians, with an ear for composition, come to appreciate prog if they had never heard a single note of the genre before?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Barbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 14:11
Absolutely not.
and those with no homes to go to, please dig yourself holes
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dopeydoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 14:12
Originally posted by WaterSnake WaterSnake wrote:

Yeah, I think so, I'm thinking in terms of listen-ability, I theorize that musicians find it more natural to listen to prog because their used to following multiple lines at once and can therefor follow complex counterpoint easier. As well as appreciating the composition and virtuosity of the players easier as they understand partly what goes into making something as thoughtful as progressive music.


I agree. The people I know that like prog are musicians. The others stay on "simple" prog such as Pink Floyd, Supertramp or the last two IQ albums. And Blackfield Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Upbeat Tango Monday Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 17:11
Yes. I play the bass and sing, so let's start a PA prog band.
Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WaterSnake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 17:38
I play guitar and can sing bass harmonies
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatfabulousalien Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 20:18
No, it's music listeners music
Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatfabulousalien Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 20:20
Originally posted by mechanicalflattery mechanicalflattery wrote:

At what rate would trained musicians, with an ear for composition, come to appreciate prog if they had never heard a single note of the genre before?

Depends on what they listen to prior (as it's a case by case basis), I believe if someone gets familiar with any genre they'll find stuff they love...even country music 
Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 20:41
yeah... but as far as your research.. don't count me... prog is one of many musical genres I love...and prog isn't even my #1 I suppose...and never was interested in playing it.. nor particularly interesting in dissecting it.


You'll find just as good if not more skilled instrumentalists in country and bluegrass, now those are some badass hard core musos...
and pop out there is far more complex than much of what is celebrated here on this site. Dione anyone..  probably only a handful of singers in the world could sing what she did.   

Bacharach was a f**king genius.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mascodagama Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2017 at 01:19
Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

No, it's music listeners music



Edited by Mascodagama - April 13 2017 at 01:20
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Flight123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2017 at 03:49
Agreed - you just need ears.

Proficiency is not a requisite for prog - it's more to do with attitude, vision, etc. - like most genres, really.  Prog is not 'special' in that respect.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rosscoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2017 at 05:24
Prog is in a sense a bit elitist.  It is produced (generally) only by particularly skilled musicians, who are keen to demonstrate a high level of proficiency or even virtuosity.  Therefore, sometimes what they come up with is easier to appreciate by fellow musicians.
 
Many non-musicians simply cannot cope with unusual time signatures and are immediately turned off.
 
SO I would hypothesize that a higher proportion of prog fans are competent musicians compared to fans of generic pop music.
 
But there are counter arguments.  If you can craft prog music that is beautiful or memorable enough you can entrance non-musicians at more or less the same rate.  And there are plenty of talented musicians I know who find unusual time signatures and diminished chords and the like pretentious and unnecessary. 
 
But I still feel that prog attracts a disproportionate quantity of musicians as fans
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mormegil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2017 at 06:22
Sadly, no.
Does frustrated musician count?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jeffro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2017 at 07:33
Originally posted by Mormegil Mormegil wrote:

Sadly, no.
Does frustrated musician count?

LOL I was going to ask if two years of trumpet 40 years ago counts.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote O666 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2017 at 08:00
Yes. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2017 at 08:08
Not at all. I have many friends who love progressive music and couldn't carry a tune with a bucket, however being a musician certainly allows one to explore more technical and adventurous music for sure
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2017 at 08:19
More that musicians music, is music with the intent to be listened to, not necessarily appropriate for dancing, like most of the common, popular music that most people prefer.
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