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Poll Question: Are you a musician?
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Not at all. I have many friends who love progressive music and couldn't carry a tune with a bucket, however being a musician certainly allows one to explore more technical and adventurous music for sure
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote twosteves Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2017 at 21:33
I'm not but I like music that is interesting and not cookie cutter----although a perfect 3 minute song is very hard to do----and I love a song with strong steady rhythm 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Progosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2017 at 12:27
Not necessarily.  Although Prog tends to be musically interesting, I know several good musicians who do not enjoy.  I myself am a musician but not as good as the guys I mention here.  I also know many non-musicians who enjoy Prog.  None of these people are all-Prog or no-Prog all the time.  It is a matter of taste and aesthetics.  I will say that an understanding of music leads to an understanding of the complexities and subtleties found in Prog but this does not always translate to enjoyment.
 
I also just read to the actual question.  Yes, I am a musician, but I voted no because I do not think Prog is merely musicians music.  The header and the poll question are two different issues.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 2dogs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2017 at 23:04
I tried a few instruments but failed, mainly because I wanted to do my own thing Ouch.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WaterSnake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2017 at 13:31
Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

 
 
I also just read to the actual question.  Yes, I am a musician, but I voted no because I do not think Prog is merely musicians music.  The header and the poll question are two different issues.
 

You don't seem to understand the purpose of this. I'm trying to do some simple research to see the percentage of prog listeners whom are musicians and comparing that with the fanbases of other genres, that doesn't mean I think that prog is for musicians and that non-musicians can't listen to it. The title was just to get peoples attention, and to make conversation in the comments, I thought people wouldn't have trouble separating that and the painfully simple question presented to them, but clearly I was wrong. 

I encourage anyone to give prog a chance, there are no requirements for someone to enjoy experiencing something, I merely think that those who train their musical mind potentially have a better chance of not being overwhelmed by the onslaught of genius that is prog. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A_Flower Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2017 at 07:51
No.

I play flute in my high school band, but I am not a really super talented musician. I listen to prog all the time everyday! And as questioned earlier in this forum, for me, I got into playing music because I loved prog. Also, if you were to consider prog being a musician's genre, then you would probably have to do the same with classical being the parent musician. I know plenty of people who enjoy classical but don't play anything. As before-mentioned, prog is a music lover's genre rather then a musician's genre
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HackettFan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2017 at 15:29
Yes. I had three periods. I studied guitar when I was in first grade and before I got interested in Prog. I was unsuccessful, probably due to my guitar being unplayable. (I just learned that Steve Hackett had a similar experience, corrected when he got ahold of a nylon guitar). I studied guitar heavily in my late teens and throughout my 20s with a great deal of success. I got quite good. I played something perhaps akin to endless Space Rock improvisations. I quit cold turkey eventually, because it never evolved into a vocation and drained time away from other things. I took it up again several years ago. I am quite advanced at this point.

I was already a Prog fan before guitar really took hold. However, I think it affected what and how I got excited about as I sought out other Prog. I had no interest in Jazz until I got good with guitar in my 20s. I was actively disinterested in Classical until I picked up guitar again in my mid-life period. Now I regularly listen to and enjoy Classical music.


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I ama music yes



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To answer the first question, I'm a musician. Classical piano training from age 5, recently took up drums. I've been composing as a serious hobby for about fifteen years. Honest assessment: I'm still terrible at all of it.

As for the second implied question, anyone can learn to appreciate progressive music but I believe musicians are more likely to latch onto it readily. As for why this might be, musicians are taught that they must be willing to accept constant challenge, discomfort and the unexpected in order to grow and find their musical identity. It makes sense that musicians would seek out and devour prog by the boatload because they've been trained to favor novelty as part of the learning process and subsequently derive pleasure from the unknown. Prog is filled with novelty, left, right, front and center, sometimes for no other reason than 'why not?' Some acts are essentially puzzle boxes (don't call it 'experimental' for nothing) which can be really fun for aspiring musicians to get into, if only because it's fun to analyze and unravel complex patterns. Progressive music is great intellectual w**kery, basically, and the poll seems to agree that many passionate followers of it are musicians rather than non, although admittedly not by a wide margin.

I also recall reading a study (likely flawed, interesting nonetheless) indicating that OCD occurs at a much higher rate in musicians than non. Irrational obsession may play a key part in lending someone the patience to sit through a 30 minute song with no melody that may or may not be about the fall of Atlantis or a time traveling alien messiah with a glowing dong.

I'm definitely not saying non-musicians can't enjoy prog authentically. Many of them do for a number of reasons. Exposure in childhood may have simply formed a preference complexity and the unexpected. But a musician, good, bad or ugly will always be primed to appreciate most music faster than a non-musician by virtue of education. Doesn't make us superior, doesn't make prog fans 'smarter' or any other ego affirming nonsense. Just means it seems to naturally resonate with people who have a musical education.

I'll be quiet now.

Edited for length and pretension. Smoked too much grass, got lost, forgot to answer question, etc.


Edited by UselessPassion - May 23 2017 at 15:39
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I wish.

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Prog as music
Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kepler62 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2017 at 19:33
I can play and sing Lucky Man, The Wizard ( Uriah heep ) and do a good fake version of No Lullaby by JT on guitar. Depends on the song. Not all progressive rock is all that complex. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mirror Image Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2017 at 19:45
This poll and the initial message from the OP asks two different questions. Iíll also rephrase one of the questions.

Question #1: Can prog music only be appreciated by musicians?

The answer is a resounding ďNOĒ! I have several friends who arenít musicians that love progressive music. As with anything in music, it boils down to the individual listener and what theyíre drawn to and get the most enjoyment out of.

Question #2: Are you a musician?

Yep, Iíve been playing the guitar for 20+ years. I started off playing percussion in the school band but was always interested in the guitar early on.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HackettFan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2017 at 23:39
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

This poll and the initial message from the OP asks two different questions. Iíll also rephrase one of the questions.

Question #1: Can prog music only be appreciated by musicians?

The answer is a resounding ďNOĒ! I have several friends who arenít musicians that love progressive music. As with anything in music, it boils down to the individual listener and what theyíre drawn to and get the most enjoyment out of.

Question #2: Are you a musician?

Yep, Iíve been playing the guitar for 20+ years. I started off playing percussion in the school band but was always interested in the guitar early on.
Good to hear from you! It seems like it's been far too long.
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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Good to hear from you! It seems like it's been far too long.

Thanks, itís great to see youíre still kicking around on here, too, HackettFan. I know this question will cause a disturbance in the thread, but what did you think of the new Hackett album, Night Sirens?
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Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Good to hear from you! It seems like it's been far too long.


Thanks, itís great to see youíre still kicking around on here, too, HackettFan. I know this question will cause a disturbance in the thread, but what did you think of the new Hackett album, Night Sirens?
Sorry for my delayed response I'd been working on building a storage building all day. I think Night Siren is pretty darn good. He seems to be showing a lot of enthusiasm in his soloing, moving about pretty freely with a lot of left hand action. Lots of time devoted to instrumental sections too. I'm not sure about my favorite track, but it might very likely be El NiŮo. My only criticism is that he uses synth sounds that strike me as bland atmospheric washes, which unfortunately suck away a bit of the impact at times, but it's only temporary. I've also been listening lately to Steve Hackett with Djabe - Summer Storms & Rocking Rivers, and also to his DVD biography, Steve Hackett - The Man the Music. All great stuff.
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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Sorry for my delayed response I'd been working on building a storage building all day. I think Night Siren is pretty darn good. He seems to be showing a lot of enthusiasm in his soloing, moving about pretty freely with a lot of left hand action. Lots of time devoted to instrumental sections too. I'm not sure about my favorite track, but it might very likely be El NiŮo. My only criticism is that he uses synth sounds that strike me as bland atmospheric washes, which unfortunately suck away a bit of the impact at times, but it's only temporary. I've also been listening lately to Steve Hackett with Djabe - Summer Storms & Rocking Rivers, and also to his DVD biography, Steve Hackett - The Man the Music. All great stuff.

Thanks for your feedback, HackettFan. Iím certainly looking forward to finally buckling down and listening to Night Sirens. Howís that album Summer Storms and Rocking Rivers? I just bought that DVD The Man, The Music. Really looking forward to watching it. Of the more recent Hackett albums, I have to say that Beyond the Shrouded Horizon really knocked me out. I havenít really given Wolflight much of a chance, but Iím going to be giving it another listen as soon as I hear Night Siren.
 


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In the old days, a musician was a composer. Prog is certainly a music of composer.
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Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Thanks for your feedback, HackettFan. Iím certainly looking forward to finally buckling down and listening to Night Sirens. Howís that album Summer Storms and Rocking Rivers? I just bought that DVD The Man, The Music. Really looking forward to watching it. Of the more recent Hackett albums, I have to say that Beyond the Shrouded Horizon really knocked me out. I havenít really given Wolflight much of a chance, but Iím going to be giving it another listen as soon as I hear Night Siren.
I loved Beyond the Shrouded Horizon too. Wolflight, on the other hand, never really grabbed me and, like you, I kind of shrugged my shoulders and haven't attempted too many listens. Night Siren is much better from first listen onward. Also, the one he did with Djabe is really special. If you like Steve Hackett and instrumental music broadly speaking, it makes for a party. It's interesting to hear some classic Hackett re-interpreted with a Jazz flavor.




Edited by HackettFan - May 23 2017 at 08:02
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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

I loved Beyond the Shrouded Horizon too. Wolflight, on the other hand, never really grabbed me and, like you, I kind of shrugged my shoulders and haven't attempted too many listens. Night Siren is much better from first listen onward. Also, the one he did with Djabe is really special. If you like Steve Hackett and instrumental music broadly speaking, it makes for a party. It's interesting to hear some classic Hackett re-interpreted with a Jazz flavor.

I re-listened to Wolflight a few nights ago and just turned it off. I couldnít get through it. This album just doesnít have the same kind of inspiration so many of his other albums have had in the past. I havenít listened to Night Siren yet, but I probably will over the weekend. I did revisit Defector a few nights ago and really enjoyed a lot even though I never really thought badly of the album. The only 70s album of his that didnít grab me was Please Donít Touch, although the second half of the album is much better than the first IMHO. Icarus Ascending has to be one of the greatest closers Iíve heard.


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