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Cristi
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Topic: Lords of jazz fusion. Posted: February 27 2018 at 08:46 |
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I giggled when I read "Weather Report too conventional". Right...
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Argo2112
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 08:42 | |
All were great , but I went with Return to Forever. That line up is tough to beat.
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Mortte
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 05:17 | |
Not big jazz fusion guy at all, but listening sometimes some Mahavishnu. Birds of Fire is great!
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 04:06 | |
How could Tale Spinnin’ (Weather Report) be ‘conventional’ ??
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 03:10 | |
I am just of the opposite opinion; Weather Report were the most unconventional of the three when it comes to jazz-rock/fusion. just think of an album like "Black Market" (my favorite one of them) |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 02:24 | |
Mahavishnu is a tad overrated IMHO. Cobham is the real star of that band. I prefer John's playing with Miles Davis.
Weather Report all the way.
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ForestFriend
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Posted: July 11 2017 at 18:52 | |
Can't say I've listened to any of those bands extensively, but judging by some of their more well-known albums (Birds of Fire, Romantic Warrior and Heavy Weather), Return To Forever appeals to me the most because their arrangements are a lot more exciting and interesting. I guess it's not really a fair comparison because Romantic Warrior feels like a straight up prog album with some jazz elements rather than vice versa to me. That being said, I love Light As A Feather too.
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: July 11 2017 at 18:17 | |
Frank Zappa and Miles Davis did it first (at least well) but Mahavishnu Orchestra took it all the way. So MahaOrch for me
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: July 11 2017 at 15:59 | |
Not a huge fusion fan but I love some of Mahavishnu's "Birds of Fire" and "The Inner Mounting Flame"...but if Bruford had been a choice that would've gotten the vote...One of a Kind is perfect
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: July 11 2017 at 15:50 | |
Where is Soft Machine, Brand X, Bruford or the Dixie Dregs?
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Argo2112
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Posted: July 11 2017 at 14:21 | |
All are great but I would go:
1. Return to Forever 2. Mahavishnu Orchestra 3. Weather Report All three bands had some amazing musicians Think of some of the match ups you would have here. Joe Zawinul vs. Chick Corea - Jaco vs. Stanely Clark - Al DiMeola vs. John Mclaughlin Crazy! Edited by Argo2112 - July 11 2017 at 14:26 |
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irrelevant
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Posted: May 02 2017 at 07:51 | |
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crimhead
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 19:18 | |
Hard to go wrong with any of those bands. So much talent between them. One massive supergroup of talent. McLaughlin, Jaco,Clarke,Zawinul,Cobham,Corea,DiMeola,Shorter,etc,etc,etc
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: April 28 2017 at 03:03 | |
Hadn't seen that WR clip before, thanks for posting
Felt like a putting a mic to a whirlwind. |
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hieronymous
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 20:48 | |
This is my personal favorite Weather Report footage:
Especially the first thing they do - Miroslav Vitous playing electric Fender through an Orange amp - sounds so good - they are grooving so hard but it's like an alien transmission... Speaking of alien transmissions, the Bill Connors-era RTF stuff is super heavy, almost jazz-metal - plus Stanley Clarke playing a Rickenbacker, and a single-pickup Jetglo 4000 at that! Edited by hieronymous - April 27 2017 at 20:49 |
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micky
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 17:10 | |
touché my friend.. well played
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Logan
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 17:06 | |
Yeah, this shouldn't have been called "Crystal Silence", it should have been Crystal Meth Shred Attack: And "Crystal" off I Sing the Body Electric should have been called "Crystal Meth" too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myEyFtImuYk That said, here's a more energetic song off I Sing the Body Electric since it's one of my favourites: Seriously, I wouldn't say that is true of early Weather Report or Return to Forever. If you haven't listened to Weather Report's first two albums or Return to Forever's first in a while, it might be time to try them again, even if they are not quite so relaxed as various Camel and Genesis numbers. |
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micky
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 16:35 | |
urrrggg...... examples 1, 2, and 3 of why I think fusion sucks.. throw some notes in a blender and see how fast you can play it and call it fusion
voting 'other' on this one... real jazz-rock fusion... |
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Pekka
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 13:36 | |
Agreed! Also check out Trioscapes if you haven't. Another fusion project by Dan Briggs (bass, drums, sax mainly), bought their second album at a BTBAM show and that led me to discover Nova Collective as well. And well, I've been listening to tons of Weather Report lately, but Mahavishnu might still be my favourite with their rawer edge. Romantic Warrior is all I've heard from Return to Forever, I suppose I should give it another go.
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 12:36 | |
Definitely one of the best albums I've heard this year so far. These guys are phenomenal!
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