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    Posted: April 24 2017 at 12:52
Can the recent rise of Nationalism, on both sides of the Atlantic, actually put a stop to Globalization?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2017 at 12:56
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2017 at 13:51
Nothing can/will stop globalization unless all of society breaks down. Whether this is a good thing is a separate question entirely, but it should be fun watching cultures and nations become steadily more homogeneous and interrelated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2017 at 14:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2017 at 15:40
If you don't believe it can, they have already won.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2017 at 16:45
^ bullsh*t..

those that feel threatened by it can fight and they are.. and you can win little battles (Trump and Brexit).. but still never have a chance to win the larger war against globalism, multiculturalism and all that jazz.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 03:14
No.

Globalisation is not a choice. It is an incurable disease and it's bigger than any president or prime minister. What we are seeing right now is a 'blip' Old people are rebelling and trying to pull things back to the days of nation states and protectionism, but young people are more politically aware than ever and are very pro-globalisation. They are the foundation of our globalised future, and there will ultimately be no going back until there is centralised global government, one currency and no borders.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 04:01
So, all of these efforts are just putting off the inevitable. Seems like a waste of time and effort then.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 04:18
It IS all a waste of time and effort. People still think the solution to all our problems lies within a system of politics where the players relentlessly serve their own interests and those of their corporate backers. People thought Trump was different despite being a multi billionaire globalist businessman. But people won't be told. Now he's basically threatening WWIII probably just to give the arms industry a boos, and those who sung his praises as he campaigned are acting all surprised and upset. I despair. People are either thick or just plain nasty. As a collective species we'll get what we ultimately deserve. Whatever that is.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 04:21
Not sure. I fear it can't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 08:29
Nope. Nation states are doomed to meet the dinosaurs and since most separations of human interest are based on national identitiy, i say adios amigos. It's been a nice ride

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 10:43
One currency, one government and one rule of law! Nice ideal but open to the worst control mechanisms ever. Did we not already have Ein Fuhrer, Ein Volk, Ein Reich ? That failed thankfully. Then we had the "Socialist paradise" aka USSR and that went nowhere. 
One Global Order, to guide mankind's fate and like the EU , if you do not obey, you are ostracized and pilloried. 
Go to your nearest zoo, open all the cages within the zoo compound and what will happen? 
Prosperity? Harmony? Love? Peace? I hope so but I doubt it, unfortunately. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 13:59
Perhaps people aren't interested in total globalism? Stereotypes in general haven't weakened much, mostly they have gotten thicker and more colourful, it seems the tribal mindset is inevitable and now backlashing against the explosion of the internet etc. Not that I feel that way but plenty of young folks have adopted the 'cherish our culture' mentality just as well, and so this is surely gonna affect, and is already affecting international politics in more than just a select few well-known cases. There is a shift going on where the Western world is showing its weaknesses and the rest of the world is losing their last grains of respect for our way of life as they slowly catch up with us with concurring ideologies; from our perspective it makes more sense to be a nationalist now than when we were in phases of unstoppable growth and influence, as the values we have adopted to reach this growth are showing their specific flaws and the only thing the proud, baffled regular Joe from the West will conclude from this is that his values just haven't been enforced hard enough, it's the only way for him as he has seen its success, and he can not imagine them being suppressed out of the market by vastly different faraway societies. I dunno, just brainstorming here...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 15:17
In answer to the OP, I doubt it.

By the way, cultural globalization has concerned me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 15:35
^Why? I can imagine some valid reasons what why in your case? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 17:04
While there are positive aspects of cultural globalization (or globalisation depending upon how one likes to spell) regarding the exchange of ideas around the world, the acceptance of people from around the world, and cultures can evolve in positive ways when exposed to other cultures, I have been concerned about cultural erosion and used to be particularly concerned about consumerist culture's effect. When I lived in Japan I refused to eat at McDonald's, for instance. As a traveler I appreciate differences between places and peoples (of course one finds subcultures in cultures too). Not that I expect the world to become culturally homogeneous (one doesn't even find cultural homogeneity within groups of people with the same ethnic and national identity from the same region). That globalization can bridge differences can certainly be a good thing and as I said, the global exchange of ideas is important, but I like various ideas of a fairly distinct cultural identity.

I think when I studied Sociology my biggest fear was that cultural globalization would really equal much the same as Americanization, especially in that it would be the adoption of American consumerist culture, including fast food culture, Hollywoodization etc. across the world, but that was decades ago.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 20:45
^Oh, with this I can agree. The risk of "Americanization" (or ultra consumerism) at the expense of local culture and values is a risk and downside of globalization. I think cultures are resilient and people's characteristics and personalities are stronger but at least a partial erosion is unavoidable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2017 at 22:13
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

One currency, one government and one rule of law! Nice ideal but open to the worst control mechanisms ever. Did we not already have Ein Fuhrer, Ein Volk, Ein Reich ? That failed thankfully. Then we had the "Socialist paradise" aka USSR and that went nowhere. 
One Global Order, to guide mankind's fate and like the EU , if you do not obey, you are ostracized and pilloried. 
Go to your nearest zoo, open all the cages within the zoo compound and what will happen? 
Prosperity? Harmony? Love? Peace? I hope so but I doubt it, unfortunately. 

Not necessarily. It could very well end up with no government, no rule and no law! It is a matter of WHEN not if we have a major solar flare that wipes out our entire electrical grids due to the weakening of Earth's magnetic shields. My experience is that when people are the best when things are at the worst. Hopefully that will be the case when the inevitable occurs :)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2017 at 02:56
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

One currency, one government and one rule of law! Nice ideal but open to the worst control mechanisms ever. Did we not already have Ein Fuhrer, Ein Volk, Ein Reich ? That failed thankfully. Then we had the "Socialist paradise" aka USSR and that went nowhere. 
One Global Order, to guide mankind's fate and like the EU , if you do not obey, you are ostracized and pilloried. 
Go to your nearest zoo, open all the cages within the zoo compound and what will happen? 
Prosperity? Harmony? Love? Peace? I hope so but I doubt it, unfortunately. 


Democracy is dying on its arse, and reveals repeatedly the stupidity and selfishness of the electorate. The future lies in global dictatorship, with regional senators and councils. Any nation that doesn't comply will be taken down. That process started in the early years of this century. We're now moving on to the big players; Russia, China and their proxy's etc..

Basically it's easier to destabilise and fail a nation than it is to install a stable and fully functioning pro western government, and sell Big Macs and MTV to their people. Many folk point out that Libya and Iraq are worse off now without their respective previous dictators in power, but I suspect it was never the intention to bring about peace in those countries, but merely to depose opponents of the globalist vision and then use the ensuing chaos and terrorist threat as an excuse to maintain a presence in the region to secure access to oil, the sale of weapons and the erosion of liberty back home in the name of security; preparing the people to accept as normal restrictions on travel and communications.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2017 at 05:51
So long as there is a need for extremists to impose their "values" there won't be a utopian type globalisation.

Nationalism is the refuge of the frightened bigot. This may not stop globalisation but cause more fragmentation. Our world leaders are range from the quite good (Trudeau) to the abysmal (45). Some are the usual average standard (May) others might be less predictable (as we watch what happens in France).

Next step the dissolution of the EU? Economically still a good idea but fragmented by prejudice and fear. These issues are fanned by self interested politicians rather than addressed in a responsible way. Ironically speeding up the pace for a global ... structure?

Religious extremism and it's extremist opposition is the real unpredictable element.

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