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    Posted: June 13 2017 at 18:54
I recently came across a discussion thread about progressive hip hop, and it got me thinking.
What if there was a genre that crossed complex, jazz-centric drumming, the record scratching technique, and layered sampling?
Would that not be cool as hell?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2017 at 19:24
Kendrick Lamar has some really cool stuff that could be considered progressive hip hop. I just don't think the term has caught on yet but it certainly has been done. Not to rain on your parade of course. Please make more!!! I've had the same idea and have some works of my own in the mix ;)
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inb4 Kanye sampled KC
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2017 at 21:03
Sampling wouln't be the most atractive thing of hip hop to use in a prog context, since if music is sampled, it might as well be played. But I can imagine hip-hop using more melody, more music. I guess it's keyboards that would work best if they would really be used in an interesting way. And about drums, I would rather think some bunch of tribal drums would work very nicely with the rhythm for hip hop (I guess something between what Jimmy Page and Robert Plant used on their UnLedded album, and what King Crimson is doing right now with 3 or 4 drummers). Then perhaps add some gospel choirs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2017 at 21:04
Or else, just have some straight prog band doing their own straight prog thing, and have some rapper into the mix, similar to what Linkin Park has done with metal (or Within Temptation on their last album), only with prog instead.
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Nope, treat the rap elements like Zappa treated speech in his guitar solos. 
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Maybe Kanye can dress up like the slipperman
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There was acid jazz; I'm not too familiar with the artists but I heard some that was good stuff (IMVHO).

I once heard, on the radio a long time ago that Jon Anderson had an idea for a rap / opera. (Ohhh goddd I thought).

Hasn't yet materialized. (Yes) ARW debut?

The thing is matching the styles of rhythms. Rap and hip hop has not progressed, although it has got worse than the slightly more rhythmic and intricate '80s numbers. But I am not, nor ever going to have expertise here.

Probably a waste of time unless that track Rush did on Roll The Bones is as good as that was going to get. Just as Test For Echo (Prog / grunge) was as good as that nightmare was ever going to aspire.

Prog is art music while most other pop type music is roots oriented. The fusions have been done.

Now if Stevie Wonder (Innervisions) type soul was oriented to say, Alan Parsons Project music then we might have something to consider.
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Not my prog Stern Smile.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Sampling wouln't be the most atractive thing of hip hop to use in a prog context, since if music is sampled, it might as well be played. But I can imagine hip-hop using more melody, more music. I guess it's keyboards that would work best if they would really be used in an interesting way. And about drums, I would rather think some bunch of tribal drums would work very nicely with the rhythm for hip hop (I guess something between what Jimmy Page and Robert Plant used on their UnLedded album, and what King Crimson is doing right now with 3 or 4 drummers). Then perhaps add some gospel choirs.
I like the way you think.
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Hip-Hop is not so much the complicated drumming, just a simple deep easy (until trying to play it) funk.
I do love the sonic and ambience and seriously think they match the Prog soundings of Wish You Were Here.
It comes down to the vocal styles. Although one thing in Hip-Hop is the boasts.
So Roger Waters is more capable of adjusting!

Yo! My name is
Roger Waters
When I was young
I looked like horse
And during my career
I've had one two three
Divorce!
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Originally posted by AZF AZF wrote:

Hip-Hop is not so much the complicated drumming, just a simple deep easy (until trying to play it) funk.
I do love the sonic and ambience and seriously think they match the Prog soundings of Wish You Were Here.
It comes down to the vocal styles. Although one thing in Hip-Hop is the boasts.
So Roger Waters is more capable of adjusting!

Yo! My name is
Roger Waters
When I was young
I looked like horse
And during my career
I've had one two three
Divorce!
feat. the count from Sesame street

Edited by HemispheresOfXanadu - June 15 2017 at 10:32
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^ no but new bad music by old proggers is...

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Portishead, Massive attack and Tricky and the various offshoots certainly made in-roads into 'Prog Hop' in the 1990's in my opinion; maybe its more influenced by Krautrock elements than Prog rock but MA's 'Mezzanine' certainly had some very progressive elements and in amongst the many genre's that influenced Portishead, you can hear elements oflate 60's early Proto prog/psych such as harvest era BJH, Procul Harum etc. Bristol has always been very 'open' musically and embraced allsorts of musical cultures and styles.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

^ no but new bad music by old proggers is...

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Here's one artist's attempt at Prog-Hop. This does contain explicit lyrics for anyone that wishes to avoid this.


Edited by Master of Time - June 16 2017 at 17:16
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Originally posted by floyd4 floyd4 wrote:

I recently came across a discussion thread about progressive hip hop, and it got me thinking.
What if there was a genre that crossed complex, jazz-centric drumming, the record scratching technique, and layered sampling?
Would that not be cool as hell?

To be honest, I think your idea is already real.

This album is the closest thing that has ever come to being progressive hip hop by the way. I recommend it.
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