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    Posted: June 17 2017 at 11:18
KC's sophomore effort. I feel that the album forms a couplet with ItCotCK and has merit. Many feel it's just a weak follow up from a disintegrating rock group. What's your opinion on In The Wake of Poseidon?

Edited by SteveG - June 17 2017 at 11:22
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 11:28
One of my favorites by KC...but then I'm a KC fan.....love the mellotron, etc and the title track.
I think it easily deserves 4 stars.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 11:51
Yes, Doc. There's something about that Mellotron that puts us under a spell.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mechanicalflattery Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 13:09
It's a fine album; most would enjoy it more were it not so conceptually derivative of the debut. The first three songs especially mirror the first three tracks of Court almost exactly. Cat Food and The Devil's Triangle are the only two pieces where the album properly establishes its own identity, setting aside the unintentional hilarity of the opening and closing a capella bits. The album has lots of great material, but I wouldn't call it a great album.
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I'm part of the minority that prefers it to the debut, so I'd consider it underrated. It unfairly draws a lot of flack for "copying" the debut, but given the line-up crisis around the time it was recorded, I'm impressed that it turned out as well as it did, and it does cover an awful lot of new ground (i.e. Cat Food, Devil's Triangle). As per side one, as I stated in my review of it:

Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

Rather than copy their predecessors, however, these tracks actually improve upon them and perfect them, the chaotic moments more brutal and discordant, the gentle moments softer and sweeter. 

While I've largely grown tired of the dreariness of the first side of Court, I still get an overwhelming feeling of bliss every time I hear Cadence and Cascade, and find myself marvelling at the majesty of the title track. I think that the extra Fripp acoustic work and Keith Tippett's piano touches are part of what helps this album exude its own special atmosphere; the debut lacks these extra sonic touches and actually strikes me as a little flat and one-dimensional when revisiting it.

As far as Schizoid Man vs Pictures of A City, the former is probably the more "serious" and "powerful" of the two, but Pictures of A City is just one big load of frantic, rip-roarin' fun. Cool
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I'd say yes, but just slightly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ExittheLemming Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 15:05
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

KC's sophomore effort. I feel that the album forms a couplet with ItCotCK and has merit. Many feel it's just a weak follow up from a disintegrating rock group. What's your opinion on In The Wake of Poseidon?


The latter. The only track I like unreservedly is Pictures of a City
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vompatti Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 15:44
I don't care much for Cadence and Cascade or Cat Food, otherwise it's of the same quality as the debut for me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 19:15
I think so. I'm not sure if it's as good as the debut but I think it comes pretty close over all. I think the formula is pretty much the same for side one and that knocks it down a bit but I like the devil's triangle better than moonchild.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Upbeat Tango Monday Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 19:55
I think it's one of the best KC albums along with ITCOTKC, SABB and LTIA.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr prog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 20:48
A much better follow up to the over rated debut. Their best album also

Edited by dr prog - June 17 2017 at 20:49
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 22:08
I'm on the side of mediocre copy of the first one. Every single equivalent is of inferior quality for my taste. Except perhaps the title track... or not... I really love that one, but I still like Epitaph much better (it's either my favourite or my second favourite KC track)... I don't care for the rest of the album, though (while I think the debut is a masterpiece).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr prog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2017 at 03:30
Poseidon is a lot fresher sounding. The debut is just too raw and 60s. Cadence, Cat food, Poseidon and Pictures are classic
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My second favourite KC album after Islands.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2017 at 05:46
Love it. Four stars.

No duff tracks IMO.
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Poseidon is a little ahead of it's time. Rather than being guided by the limited vinyl format I see it as part of the KC compositional process. I think they were the first band to include a sample...

Some criticisms are a bit odd. Pictures Of A City sounds nothing like 21st C Schizoid Man (can't figure where people get this idea and temporarily conclude they are overly influenced by some critic of the build 'em up knock 'em down fraternity).

I think it's best to be guided by the written and recorded work rather than ascribe ACDC values to King Crimson.

Question for those who think it is derivative of the first album - what did you expect to hear? A band developing ambitious compositions must undergo a process.

Supplementary question - are we happy that by 1981 when neither Crim bore that much of a resemblance to one another?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2017 at 09:59
I don't know if underrated or not.  I don;t think it's nearly as good as the debut, but I do think that the combination of "Cadence and Cascade" with the title cut is slightly better than the "I Talk to the Wind"/"Epitaph" combo.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blaqua Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2017 at 17:32

Rather underrated record, doesn’t equal though their first or even Red. Pictures of a City and especially the title track are some the finest KC moments IMO.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr prog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2017 at 20:57
Dunno why people think the debut is so good. 2 or 3 songs just sound very outdated and nothing special to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2017 at 04:36
^Confused Omg, I think that I'm actually speechless!
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