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    Posted: July 17 2017 at 03:40
As a quick question - is radio play now a complete waste of time for musicians ?

I've been played a lot on various radio stations, including prog specific ones. I don't think it's ever resulted in a sale, although I have made a lot of good friends through it, for which I am very grateful. 

Mind you, I don't really promote my music any more: I just write for my own amusement. 

Anyone else have a similar experience ? 
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Hi,

I'm a writer, so please bear with me, because there is a similarity with what you are asking and what I do. I am not clamoring for fame, and acceptance, and that means, to me, that if it got played on radio, or someone's show on the net, I would not mind, or spend my time thanking the heavens that someone knows I was alive for a moment etc etc etc. 

I write for me, and what I see and understand. Many will disagree and find different points of view, however, when you and I look at the same tree, we do not see the same thing, and we have to accept those differences, however small they are.

I've given up, a long time ago, trying to satisfy and create something simply because it had some "value" that I felt was important. I, have not, for 40 years, written by that standard. I am a totally intuitive and "ad-lib" writer, and will only pen the "visions" and the "non-rem dreams" that are way out there, that have nothing to do with any ideas or opinions by myself or anyone out there. This is what I see and I merely try to "translate" that inner language.

Now, you must remember that I had a very well known father whose name is listed in Portuguese Literature for his achievements, and while his work itself was not about "appearances", pretty much everything else was, and in his later years, his talks and taped readings were full of crazy stuff that clamored ... attention. His fame, however, hurt the children a lot, specially the older ones that were affected by the country change from Brazil to America ... not to mention the previous one from Portugal to Brazil.

A lot of my writing came to me, by way of a country change ... coming to America at 15 and not speaking a single word of English, left me with ten formative years of INNER attention, because the communication to the outside was horrendous and pathetic, to the point of even hurting personal relationships without knowing or understanding why. I simply had no words for it, and could not express what I needed to say and felt!

IF, and WHEN, any of my work becomes appreciated, I will bow and say thank you and look up at the heavens and applaud the angels laughing out loud and rolling on their little bellies, that someone got something out of it. I will have a drink to their health! My only drink other than water and a soda now and then!

It's hard to not be a "cynic" about this, as people think I am. I'm much more of an "inner sentimentalist" than anything else, specially in regards to many inner experiences, all of which are consistently written about and evaluated ... but their truth and stated presence, has never changed ... and to me that is the "compositional" element in my work ... the only one. It has nothing to do with grammar, people, ideas, or concepts ... I write first and consider what it might mean afterwards ... I can not conceive an idea, and then go write it ... it simply is not how I work. I write it, and then find ... oh my gawd ... that's an interesting concept and idea!

I have spent in my earlier days directing actors in theater, and this was a very good thing to do with them, in rehearsal in preparation for their performance, and I have always believed that this is important for any musician, writer and artist out there ... however, just as I say that I meet yet another person that worships the notes and the chords, and thinks that Am is sad ... and can not figure out how to play it so it is not sad!

Hope this helps ... may sound weird and strange, but it is the best I can explain it ... but no concepts or ideas for me and my work, If there is one, it is the outside reader/listener that found it, not me! And for me, that is the definition of "art", that best explains all the feelings that I get when I meet it, or it meets me! It shakes you goodddddddd!
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Thanks, Mosh, that's a really nice reply and I have to agree with you. 

One of my all time music heroes recently heard my music, so I did him a free copy of my entire discography. That put a huge smile on my face, and his. Some things money can't replace. ;-)

I find radio play is usually a total waste of time for reaching an audience, however. Unless it's highly specialised. 
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To be honest I don't listen to the radio but I sometimes listen to random bands on Spotify and that has resulted in me buying a number of CDs, so I would have thought the same thing applied to people listening on the radio, especially prog.
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So did I. ;-)
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Hi,

Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Thanks, Mosh, that's a really nice reply and I have to agree with you. 
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Thanks a bunch. I'm just happy to find there are others in this universe that also have similar sentiments! AND, they are artists!

Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

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One of my all time music heroes recently heard my music, so I did him a free copy of my entire discography. That put a huge smile on my face, and his. Some things money can't replace. ;-)

A treat ... well deserved. One of my screenplays, was written out of a series of dreams and it was dedicated to Nicolas Roeg and Theresa Russell. I have no idea if they read it, or thought about it, but the writing style was in a sort of way, similar to his filming style ... it just flows and time has no say in his film, specially the early ones. As for Theresa, I can not say. It was just a feeling. 

However, I did not realize until AFTER I finished writing it that it had elements that could be found in Nic's films. Mostly, I thought about Luis Bunuel and his cutting style that always went inside a person's head, and then came out, and of course, everything was different now! 

Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

I find radio play is usually a total waste of time for reaching an audience, however. Unless it's highly specialised.

There has been, and was, some great radio ... however, it was all done during the days that radio and tv were not bought out by corporate interests, which took ALL the local folks out of the equation, and that included your and mine tastes and our friends. You might check out the "Space Pirate Radio" thread on this board, for some amazing radio stuff Guy Guden did, and I wish that there was a way that some of the shows he did could be shared around ... what he did, will never be done again, or heard anywhere else ... even with the Internet stuff, these days, all you get is fanboys (not many girls, either! No wonder prog is not favored by them, right?) ... and the whole thing is just so manipulated towards the top ten and the better known work, because folks are afraid of losing an audience. Audiences come and go and the women might be thinking of Michelangelo ... who gives a fudge? Move on! Do something ... so instead you get some megalomaniacs on Sirius and other places, making it look like they are bigger and more important than you or I, and their work is vacuous. So empty. And the talks to some of the musicians, are so poor and meat-less, that it makes me wonder where did these folks learn, and went to school to be stupid. It was sort of like that Italian interviewer talking to Gary Green (Gentle Giant) and explaining to Gary what "progressive" was and it's definition ... I have never heard anything so bad and so ridiculous in my life ... specially in front of Gary Green.

All in all, it is left for folks like you and I to bust the mold ... and there is no other choice. Guy, I think, is no longer interested, and I think his musical background in relation to radio is long gone, and I'm guessing due to health issues ... his blog has been empty for almost 4 months now ... and in the process, we need to help the new musicians and folks explain their art and how they see it ... not what it was supposed to be, which is the HUGE mistake in the whole process ... this is the difference between Guy's many interviews of which I have one, but can not share ... Robin Williamson (Incredible String Band) ... and you not only get to listen to a "person" and an "artist", but also a very cool and funny time on the air.

This does not exist on the air these days ... and it will not come alive, until we do it. I sometimes think that we use PA as our edification that we are prog-nauts!  
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A local band I worked for (on the side, in the mid 1980's) had built up a base of fans locally by gigging in pubs etc and produced a great demo tape. They got an opening spot on a local 'Radio One' roadshow (on the Beach!); they really thought, 'that's it, we've arrived'. Two tracks played on radio one and that was it.. nothing, just back to provincial band doing the pubs and clubs of the south west.. and the inevitable split. These guys were all professionals and radio play did nothing for them back then when radio was still king.
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Don't know about radio-play, but radio plays are great; an old school artform that still has life.


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Don't know about radio-play, but radio plays are great; an old school artform that still has life.


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Been played quite a fair bit on prog specific radio. No problems there. Well, not many sales, but lots of nice comments and I made a lot of friends, which was really nice. 

THEN I get all my free stuff pirated by student radio stations. ;-))))

If you're not aware, student radio stations trawl Bandcamp and other sites for free music. They download this and use it as space filler for radio shows. So you get played by idiots to idiots who are usually listening to crappy rap or EDM tracks. After this happens a few times, I drop a polite mail to a Belgian radio show saying yes, the music is free, but it's still copyright, if you could ask permission, that would be appreciated. 

DJ comes back, she's about 20 and full of herself. "How dare you send me a mail like that when I'm doing you a favour by playing your music ?? !!!!! I am going to tell you now that your copyright is worth sh*t in Belgium, as are your royalties. So I'll do what I want". 

Literally and verbatim. Hence me pulling free music off the website. ;-)))))


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