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Posted: August 05 2017 at 17:00
verslibre wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
Who even needs Rick Wakeman at this point(I didn't just say that).
We'll pretend you didn't.
I need Rick! I love Rick! I need the third book in is Grumpy Old Rock Star autobiographical series.
Here's some recent live action by Rick — the Caped Crusader wailing away on "White Rock"!
Still doing his thing. Awesome. Yes, gotta love Rick! I want to get more into those Japanese women though(not like that!), and that third video you posted about the "Japanese Wakeman." I need to explore those artists further..
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Posted: August 05 2017 at 17:05
YESESIS wrote:
Yeah, that's really good. You seem to understand my taste. What one all instrumental prog album would you most recommend for me?
I can't recommend only one, because there's a lot of top-shelf music in this vein. Hence my list in this thread. Do you want to get one right now, or several? Where do you usually order music?
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Posted: August 05 2017 at 17:08
verslibre wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
Yeah, that's really good. You seem to understand my taste. What one all instrumental prog album would you most recommend for me?
I can't recommend only one, because there's a lot of top-shelf music in this vein. Hence my list in this thread. Do you want to get one right now, or several? Where do you usually order music?
I get all my music from mp3million.com. I wanted to try just one and then if I really like it then I will buy more.
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Posted: August 05 2017 at 17:43
YESESIS wrote:
I want to get more into those Japanese women though(not like that!)
Hold on to your chin strap, because here's the short-lived double-keyboards formation of Ars Nova (Keiko Kumagai & Mika Nakajimi – keys; Akiko Takahashi – drumkit), live in Helsinki in 2001.
YESESIS wrote:
and that third video you posted about the "Japanese Wakeman."
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Posted: August 05 2017 at 21:37
verslibre wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
I want to get more into those Japanese women though(not like that!)
Hold on to your chin strap, because here's the short-lived double-keyboards formation of Ars Nova (Keiko Kumagai & Mika Nakajimi – keys; Akiko Takahashi – drumkit), live in Helsinki in 2001.
YESESIS wrote:
and that third video you posted about the "Japanese Wakeman."
Mo' Motoi!
The one with that Japanese Wakeman guy is very good. I also like the one with those women, they are cute(no I need to stop that and just appreciate the music lol). Anyway thanks a lot for posting these. Definitely two acts that plan to explore further.
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Posted: August 11 2017 at 09:57
ELP was right up there with Yes, Pink Floyd and Genesis for me back in the 70's. My love for them faded quickly after Works Vol. I and rarely go back into their discography. But here's my take:
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Posted: August 11 2017 at 21:01
miamiscot wrote:
ELP was right up there with Yes, Pink Floyd and Genesis for me back in the 70's. My love for them faded quickly after Works Vol. I and rarely go back into their discography. But here's my take:
ELP 9/10
Tarkus 10/10
Pictures 8/10
Trilogy 10/10
BSS 10/10
Works One 6/10
Works Two 4/10
Love Beach 3/10
Black Moon 3/10
In The Hot Seat 2/10
Trilogy and BSS both 10/10, right on! Totally agree with that assessment. And man.. In The Hot Seat must be very bad lol. I haven't heard it yet but people seem to talk about it like Genesis fans talk about Calling All Stations(which I actually kind of like). So maybe I should give this last ELP album a chance as well here.
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Posted: August 12 2017 at 01:34
Has it occurred to anybody that Works Vol. 2 contains two of the finest and most overlooked ELP instrumentals? No, everybody is busy sl*g.ing it off and giving it low rankings. Yes, it is uneven and cobbled together but it contains some great music. Emerson also tried hard with the much maligned Love Beach ('Canario' is another overlooked belter) and no one seemed to understand the irony of that photo on the cover. ELPowell stood out in the 80s when compared to the dross that their contemporaries were producing. One of the greatest - and most exciting bands - on the face of the earth.
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Posted: August 12 2017 at 17:04
Flight123 wrote:
Has it occurred to anybody that Works Vol. 2 contains two of the finest and most overlooked ELP instrumentals? No, everybody is busy sl*g.ing it off and giving it low rankings. Yes, it is uneven and cobbled together but it contains some great music. Emerson also tried hard with the much maligned Love Beach ('Canario' is another overlooked belter) and no one seemed to understand the irony of that photo on the cover. ELPowell stood out in the 80s when compared to the dross that their contemporaries were producing. One of the greatest - and most exciting bands - on the face of the earth.
I'll agree with that statement every time. They're literally my third favorite prog band of all time behind only Genesis and Yes. And yeah Canario is my favorite track on Love Beach. But I think they forgot who their audience was/is on that album(mostly men), the cover and the title track.. just not smart imo from a business perspective.
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Posted: August 13 2017 at 04:21
YESESIS wrote:
Who even needs Rick Wakeman at this point(I didn't just say that).
The recent Keith Emerson tribute in Birmingham (UK) absolutely needed him. He played the solo on Abaddon's Bolero with the orchestra as well as saying some very nice things about Keith.
Rachael Flowers was also absolutely amazing at this concert. Surprised she hasn't been mentioned on this thread (unless I missed it skimming through the comments).
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Posted: August 13 2017 at 04:38
The one this that always comes up on ELP threads (there have been many) is whether they started to fall away from BSS onwards. It's interesting (to me anyway) that they were getting quite distracted by setting up the new record label (Manticore) and so it would make sense if commercial considerations were overtaking them at the time. My own feeling on the matter is that BSS is their best and most coherent work excepting that Benny The Bouncer really doesn't belong on that album (they could have included either the track called Brain Salad Surgery or When The Apple Blossom Blooms ... which are much better) but never mind. Without that you still some the most mind blowingly complex and technically brilliant symh prog ever made. The production does fall under being too compressed perhaps but they were attempting to create a more panoramic sound in keeping with their live shows of the time. It has been terribly re mastered over the years though which is a real shame (stick with the Sony release as that's the best imo and avoid the horrible 'deluxe reissues) and that is one of the problems. Still one of the most original prog releases and my favourite album for 40 years!
Overall ELP were just one of those bands that refused to stick to the plan. Too many big egos in the band and outside record company interference in the end put paid to them. Black Moon was a decent comeback but as said before Emerson (and Palmer) were having massive physical issues with their hands and that fluency they were so famed for never returned.
In the end they are best remembered as a flamboyant band who recorded some interesting and important albums. They tried things that other musicians wanted to do but were either too shy or too frightened to do.
The one this that always comes up on ELP threads (there have been many) is whether they started to fall away from BSS onwards. It's interesting (to me anyway) that they were getting quite distracted by setting up the new record label (Manticore) and so it would make sense if commercial considerations were overtaking them at the time. My own feeling on the matter is that BSS is their best and most coherent work excepting that Benny The Bouncer really doesn't belong on that album (they could have included either the track called Brain Salad Surgery or When The Apple Blossom Blooms ... which are much better) but never mind. Without that you still some the most mind blowingly complex and technically brilliant symh prog ever made. The production does fall under being too compressed perhaps but they were attempting to create a more panoramic sound in keeping with their live shows of the time. It has been terribly re mastered over the years though which is a real shame (stick with the Sony release as that's the best imo and avoid the horrible 'deluxe reissues) and that is one of the problems. Still one of the most original prog releases and my favourite album for 40 years!
Overall ELP were just one of those bands that refused to stick to the plan. Too many big egos in the band and outside record company interference in the end put paid to them. Black Moon was a decent comeback but as said before Emerson (and Palmer) were having massive physical issues with their hands and that fluency they were so famed for never returned.
In the end they are best remembered as a flamboyant band who recorded some interesting and important albums. They tried things that other musicians wanted to do but were either too shy or too frightened to do.
Have to agree with pretty much all of this. It was interesting to hear promoter Harvey Goldsmith (whose a fan) describe ELP as being a band who were deeply unpopular within the industry at the height of their success. He seemed to imply that being globally successful while playing very challenging and complex music and refusing to play the rock'n'roll game of releasing exactly the same album every 2 years or so, flew in the face of any conventional marketing strategy wisdom. It seems most of the record executives really didn't have a clue how to sell ELP as a rawk brand. In addition, Works Volume 1 was a step too far for a predominately white, male rock demographic to negotiate without the fanbase becoming divisively polarized as a result. For me, Emerson had outgrown Rock by circa 1980 and should have embarked on a career as a classical composer and performer of his own work. BTW Benny the Bouncer is sublime and most people appraise it as boogie woogie or stride, but it ain't (it's not even in shuffle time): it's a slice of London cockney music hall with one of the most thrilling piano solos in the history of popular music full stop. (The clue is in the accent Lake adopts for the vocal innit?)
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Posted: August 13 2017 at 15:50
richardh wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
Who even needs Rick Wakeman at this point(I didn't just say that).
The recent Keith Emerson tribute in Birmingham (UK) absolutely needed him. He played the solo on Abaddon's Bolero with the orchestra as well as saying some very nice things about Keith.
Rachael Flowers was also absolutely amazing at this concert. Surprised she hasn't been mentioned on this thread (unless I missed it skimming through the comments).
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Posted: August 14 2017 at 00:31
ExittheLemming wrote:
richardh wrote:
The one this that always comes up on ELP threads (there have been many) is whether they started to fall away from BSS onwards. It's interesting (to me anyway) that they were getting quite distracted by setting up the new record label (Manticore) and so it would make sense if commercial considerations were overtaking them at the time. My own feeling on the matter is that BSS is their best and most coherent work excepting that Benny The Bouncer really doesn't belong on that album (they could have included either the track called Brain Salad Surgery or When The Apple Blossom Blooms ... which are much better) but never mind. Without that you still some the most mind blowingly complex and technically brilliant symh prog ever made. The production does fall under being too compressed perhaps but they were attempting to create a more panoramic sound in keeping with their live shows of the time. It has been terribly re mastered over the years though which is a real shame (stick with the Sony release as that's the best imo and avoid the horrible 'deluxe reissues) and that is one of the problems. Still one of the most original prog releases and my favourite album for 40 years!
Overall ELP were just one of those bands that refused to stick to the plan. Too many big egos in the band and outside record company interference in the end put paid to them. Black Moon was a decent comeback but as said before Emerson (and Palmer) were having massive physical issues with their hands and that fluency they were so famed for never returned.
In the end they are best remembered as a flamboyant band who recorded some interesting and important albums. They tried things that other musicians wanted to do but were either too shy or too frightened to do.
Have to agree with pretty much all of this. It was interesting to hear promoter Harvey Goldsmith (whose a fan) describe ELP as being a band who were deeply unpopular within the industry at the height of their success. He seemed to imply that being globally successful while playing very challenging and complex music and refusing to play the rock'n'roll game of releasing exactly the same album every 2 years or so, flew in the face of any conventional marketing strategy wisdom. It seems most of the record executives really didn't have a clue how to sell ELP as a rawk brand. In addition, Works Volume 1 was a step too far for a predominately white, male rock demographic to negotiate without the fanbase becoming divisively polarized as a result. For me, Emerson had outgrown Rock by circa 1980 and should have embarked on a career as a classical composer and performer of his own work. BTW Benny the Bouncer is sublime and most people appraise it as boogie woogie or stride, but it ain't (it's not even in shuffle time): it's a slice of London cockney music hall with one of the most thrilling piano solos in the history of popular music full stop. (The clue is in the accent Lake adopts for the vocal innit?)
Have you checked out Emerson's film soundtrack albums such as Nighthawks and Inferno? They are actually very good and he had a nice little collaboration with the conductor Godfrey Salmon going at the time although it didn't last presumably as the temptation to reform ELP became too great to ignore.
Yep Greg doing his best Dick Van Dyke impression was what every ELP fan craved for. KE9 made up for it though.
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