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Posted: August 29 2017 at 18:47
lostrom wrote:
I'm probably the only one thinking Works Volume 2 is their second best album (the debut being their best).
Yeah I don't agree with any of that lol, but I appreciate your opinion. I haven't listened to Volume 2 in forever(and only once, maybe twice in my whole life). So I'll definitely need to revisit it.. could be something I've been overlooking.
I love their debut album, just isn't my very favorite of theirs.
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Posted: August 30 2017 at 01:10
YESESIS wrote:
lostrom wrote:
I'm probably the only one thinking Works Volume 2 is their second best album (the debut being their best).
Yeah I don't agree with any of that lol, but I appreciate your opinion. I haven't listened to Volume 2 in forever(and only once, maybe twice in my whole life). So I'll definitely need to revisit it.. could be something I've been overlooking.
I love their debut album, just isn't my very favorite of theirs.
Years ago, I reviewed Works Vol 2 with 2 stars. Now, I'd almost bump it to a 4.
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Posted: August 30 2017 at 20:20
Tom Ozric wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
lostrom wrote:
I'm probably the only one thinking Works Volume 2 is their second best album (the debut being their best).
Yeah I don't agree with any of that lol, but I appreciate your opinion. I haven't listened to Volume 2 in forever(and only once, maybe twice in my whole life). So I'll definitely need to revisit it.. could be something I've been overlooking.
I love their debut album, just isn't my very favorite of theirs.
Years ago, I reviewed Works Vol 2 with 2 stars. Now, I'd almost bump it to a 4.
Sounds like I really should give it another shot then. Must be one of those albums that grows on you.
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Posted: August 30 2017 at 20:38
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YESESIS wrote:
Now that's the kind of PROG that I like!
Jaime wails!
(Did you ever pick up that live CD by Gerard?)
I haven't. I've been buying too much music as it is. A few months ago I bought all of the first 7 studio albums by Caravan plus Paradise Filter. Then I bought all of the first 7 studio albums by Gentle Giant(minus Three Friends). Then I bought the first 4 studio albums by Marillion. And now I'm thinking about buying some stuff by Barclay James Harvest. Oh, and also sometime around when I was buying the Caravan stuff I bought the first 3 studio albums by Soft Machine plus Bundles. I listen to a lot of music on youtube, and then if I really like the artist I will buy a bunch of stuff from them. I did really like that Japanese Wakeman guy and the 3 Japanese Women band. Eventually I'll probably get something from one or both of them. If only I had unlimited money.. then I could buy every album from every prog band ever!
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Posted: August 30 2017 at 21:13
^ Its a little bit inconsistent, its mostly made up of unrelated discarded tracks, but many of these tracks were not discarded because of their lack of quality, they were mostly discarded because they didn't fit with the album they were working on at the time. Its an eclectic album to say the least, but there is some great material in there, much of it quite different from what they are known for.
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Posted: August 30 2017 at 21:14
^ It's a very 'jazzy' record actually. Some albums take time for the listener to catch up to. Took me years to really appreciate it. I believe that once when Palmer was doing a solo tour in recent-ish times, he did, maybe Bullfrog. And he a announced that he'll be doing a number off Works Vol 2 - and there won't be any refunds for those that bought the album back in the day. Something along those lines.
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Posted: August 30 2017 at 21:17
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^ Its a little bit inconsistent, its mostly made up of unrelated discarded tracks, but many of these tracks were not discarded because of their lack of quality, they were mostly discarded because they didn't fit with the album they were working on at the time. Its an eclectic album to say the least, but there is some great material in there, much of it quite different from what they are known for.
Thanks for the info. Still listening.. so far it started off strong but now getting kinda stupid lol. Hate to say that about one of my very favorite bands. Hope it gets better again soon.
Edit: It just finished.. yeah VERY mixed bag. Started off really good but then.. umm yeah it's ELP so I'll rate it as "good" but yeah, no man.
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Posted: August 31 2017 at 11:21
YESESIS wrote:
verslibre wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
Now that's the kind of PROG that I like!
Jaime wails!
(Did you ever pick up that live CD by Gerard?)
I haven't. I've been buying too much music as it is. A few months ago I bought all of the first 7 studio albums by Caravan plus Paradise Filter. Then I bought all of the first 7 studio albums by Gentle Giant(minus Three Friends). Then I bought the first 4 studio albums by Marillion. And now I'm thinking about buying some stuff by Barclay James Harvest. Oh, and also sometime around when I was buying the Caravan stuff I bought the first 3 studio albums by Soft Machine plus Bundles. I listen to a lot of music on youtube, and then if I really like the artist I will buy a bunch of stuff from them. I did really like that Japanese Wakeman guy and the 3 Japanese Women band. Eventually I'll probably get something from one or both of them. If only I had unlimited money.. then I could buy every album from every prog band ever!
The deal on that Gerard disc is too good to pass up (even if it's the French edition)! (I'm not the seller, btw.)
The thing with Japanese bands is that if they're not released concurrently on Musea or another European label, they're mighty pricey.
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Posted: August 31 2017 at 15:19
verslibre wrote:
I prefer the version of "Romeo and Juliet" that was retitled "Montagues and Capulets," on Keith's Changing States (the solo CD, not the instrumental on Black Moon).
a lot of people don't realise that Keith recorded that album 3 years before the ELP versions
I agree . The drums are more dynamic .I realise that is sacrilegious to say but Palmer really was not the same drummer when he went for a two bass drum kit and adopted a more straight forward style. Black Moon is okay though and worth a 3 star rating in PA terms. I did very much enjoy seeing them on tour at that time. It was their best effort at the time.
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Posted: August 31 2017 at 19:20
verslibre wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
verslibre wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
Now that's the kind of PROG that I like!
Jaime wails!
(Did you ever pick up that live CD by Gerard?)
I haven't. I've been buying too much music as it is. A few months ago I bought all of the first 7 studio albums by Caravan plus Paradise Filter. Then I bought all of the first 7 studio albums by Gentle Giant(minus Three Friends). Then I bought the first 4 studio albums by Marillion. And now I'm thinking about buying some stuff by Barclay James Harvest. Oh, and also sometime around when I was buying the Caravan stuff I bought the first 3 studio albums by Soft Machine plus Bundles. I listen to a lot of music on youtube, and then if I really like the artist I will buy a bunch of stuff from them. I did really like that Japanese Wakeman guy and the 3 Japanese Women band. Eventually I'll probably get something from one or both of them. If only I had unlimited money.. then I could buy every album from every prog band ever!
The deal on that Gerard disc is too good to pass up (even if it's the French edition)! (I'm not the seller, btw.)
The thing with Japanese bands is that if they're not released concurrently on Musea or another European label, they're mighty pricey.
Gerard wasn't my favorite of the stuff you posted though. At some point I might get something by them, but right now I'm really into Barclay James Harvest. I kind of cycle through different obsessions lol(Caravan was a big one). Anyway thanks again for the videos and turning me onto some cool Japanese stuff.
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Posted: November 28 2017 at 16:26
Just saw Carl Palmer last night at the Sage in Gateshead with his trio, doing his ELP Legacy tour - and I just couldn't believe the speed, complexity and quality of his drumming - especially during the Curse/Hut of Baba Yaga part of 'Pictures'. About 10 metres from the drum kit in the second row. Unbelievable - He's 67 years old!!! 👍
Without the keyboards of Keith and the vocals of Greg, it's never quite the same - but his bassist and guitarist really do a very good job at filling in the sound and melody lines ( and anyway you are filling in any gaps and singing the lyrics in your head anyway!) Worth checking out if they come near you in the near future - Carl is clearly enjoying revisiting his ELP catalogue and flexing his drumming more than he could do in Asia etc.
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Posted: November 28 2017 at 23:17
Squonk19 wrote:
Just saw Carl Palmer last night at the Sage in Gateshead with his trio, doing his ELP Legacy tour - and I just couldn't believe the speed, complexity and quality of his drumming - especially during the Curse/Hut of Baba Yaga part of 'Pictures'. About 10 metres from the drum kit in the second row. Unbelievable - He's 67 years old!!! 👍
Without the keyboards of Keith and the vocals of Greg, it's never quite the same - but his bassist and guitarist really do a very good job at filling in the sound and melody lines ( and anyway you are filling in any gaps and singing the lyrics in your head anyway!) Worth checking out if they come near you in the near future - Carl is clearly enjoying revisiting his ELP catalogue and flexing his drumming more than he could do in Asia etc.
Well if any drummer could keep going at a high level at that age it definitely would be him lol. So doesn't really surprise me. And you're a true fan, I don't know if I could sit through a whole ELP show without Keith or Greg. They probably threw in a couple Asia songs even.
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Posted: November 29 2017 at 09:18
Squonk19 wrote:
Just saw Carl Palmer last night at the Sage in Gateshead with his trio, doing his ELP Legacy tour - and I just couldn't believe the speed, complexity and quality of his drumming - especially during the Curse/Hut of Baba Yaga part of 'Pictures'. About 10 metres from the drum kit in the second row. Unbelievable - He's 67 years old!!! 👍
Without the keyboards of Keith and the vocals of Greg, it's never quite the same - but his bassist and guitarist really do a very good job at filling in the sound and melody lines ( and anyway you are filling in any gaps and singing the lyrics in your head anyway!) Worth checking out if they come near you in the near future - Carl is clearly enjoying revisiting his ELP catalogue and flexing his drumming more than he could do in Asia etc.
A friend saw Carl's three piece at the time a few years back at the Roxy in Los Angeles. Beforehand, he asked me to go with him, but for whatever reason I declined the offer. He later told me that he was allowed into the venue about an hour and a half early and took a seat. No sooner had he done that when Palmer strode past him to apparently check the set up of the stage. My friend said he got up and approached Palmer in order to say hello. He said the man graciously shook his hand and then proceeded to spend about 20 minutes chatting about music and such before kindly excusing himself. My friend was starry-eyed when he recounted all of this. I would have been too.
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