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Dellinger 
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 Posted: August 02 2017 at 20:50 |
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Rick %$#^ Wakeman.. now you're speaking my language! Thanks a lot for the suggestions. |
If you want some input on Rick Wakeman, I might be able to help you there too. He's one of my very favourite artists (along with Yes, Pink Floyd, Mike Oldfield, and Dream Theater).
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Posted: August 02 2017 at 21:14 |
Dellinger wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
Rick %$#^ Wakeman.. now you're speaking my language! Thanks a lot for the suggestions. |
If you want some input on Rick Wakeman, I might be able to help you there too. He's one of my very favourite artists (along with Yes, Pink Floyd, Mike Oldfield, and Dream Theater). |
I appreciate it buddy. I used to be into Floyd but are they truly considered prog? Dream Theater I keep hearing mentioned but don't know anything by them, and this Mike person same thing. I already know a lot about Yes(them and Genesis are literally my favorite prog bands). LOVE ELP and Gentle Giant too though!
My man Wakeman, does this Six Wives of Henry VIII and Criminal Record sound like classic Yes? If so then I might really have to check them out. I love everyone from the Anderson, Howe, Squire, Wakeman, Bruford lineup of Yes.
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 02:14 |
For King Crimon (KC) the first albums until red would be not too hard I guess, but I suggest listening to their recent shows. It seems a little lighter to take and then see which songs you like and which albums they originally come from. Mainly KC was for me just getting used to a lot of dissonance and distortion... As for ELP, adore their stuff! A lot of their songs have that typical classical feel. My favourites are The Endless Enigma, KE9 part (!)2(!), Tarkus obv., and yeah The Barbarian just rocks. Greg Lake is also my favourite singer (oh the first vocal part of Trilogy!). Though my very favourite band is Gentle Giant (with ELP and KC close behind), I guess that's my "obsession"? Oh and yeah Dream Theater is probably the most popular Prog-metal bands, very technical, complicated rhythms (not really compared to tech-metal bands though) and has a lot of energy, but for me it gets boring after a while. And copying is somewhat against the nature of progressive rock, why many don't appreciate for example Triumvirat and In The Wake Of Poseidon (and shhh Neo-prog as a complete genre but shhhhh you can't say that ;)
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 10:36 |
YESESIS wrote:
My man Wakeman, does this Six Wives of Henry VIII and Criminal Record sound like classic Yes? If so then I might really have to check them out. I love everyone from the Anderson, Howe, Squire, Wakeman, Bruford lineup of Yes. |
Those albums are entirely instrumental, which is why I love them so much. Rick's famous "symphonic" albums are Journey to the Centre of the Earth, and The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. I'm not sure if you'll like those. However, I strongly recommend the album Rick put out a few years back called Out There. That one featured Damian Wilson on lead vocals and was the best thing Rick had done in many years.
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 10:46 |
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Though my very favourite band is Gentle Giant |
Yeah, baby! and to think that, not so long ago, just mentioning GG here at PA was considered obscene. Good to see that some things have changed for good here! 
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 12:47 |
GG's one of the major UK prog bands, though. When was it considered obscene? 
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 13:19 |
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I suppose my only knock at ELP are the little 'beer hall' cute songs they included here and there on the early albums after the debut. To me they ruined/interrupted the flow of the longer more prog like tracks and the nice ballads. I never understood the point of that.....imho it would have been better to put them all on an album dedicated to the 'fun' songs so as not to affect the flow of the other albums with themed prog tracks.
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 13:23 |
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GG's one of the major UK prog bands, though. When was it considered obscene? |
When GG meant Giant Genitalia.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 14:04 |
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My favorite is the first one. I think all of the first four studio albums are very good though. Parts of BSS are as good if not better than anything the band has done but parts of it are very repetitious and get a bit annoying after a while. That's my only problem with it. How many times do you they have to repeat the whole "welcome back my friends thing." If they cut that in half and put something else in there instead it would maybe be their best album. As is it is I'd still say it's maybe my second favorite album by them. Not sure. I suppose it depends on my mood. The first one was the first album by them I heard so maybe that's partly why it's my favorite. Tarkus has filler on side two and so does Trilogy. BSS as I implied also does(with the Karn Evil 9 section being padded out which makes it filler).
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 15:47 |
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My Favourite ELP lp (by miles) is the self titled first lp, vinyl on the original pink Island label.. and I really like Tarkus. I like Trilogy too but to a slightly lesser extent. My main problem with Brain salad surgery is the production; its very tinny and harsh with limited mid range and an odd metallic sheen over the whole thing.. I understand that perhaps that was intentional for Karn Evil 9 and fits into the futuristic theme but it just makes it almost unlistenable to my ears.. I admit, this is listening to original vinyl on a reasonable spec set up, not a re-mastered version. I briefly worked with a guy who in a previous position worked for ELP in logistics in the 70's and we went to see them on the Black Moon tour and it was a seriously good show and re-kindled my interest in their early lps. And, yes, I thought some of the Emerson, Lake and Powell lp was very good too..
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YESESIS
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 17:33 |
DDPascalDD wrote:
For King Crimon (KC) the first albums until red would be not too hard I guess, but I suggest listening to their recent shows. It seems a little lighter to take and then see which songs you like and which albums they originally come from. Mainly KC was for me just getting used to a lot of dissonance and distortion... As for ELP, adore their stuff! A lot of their songs have that typical classical feel. My favourites are The Endless Enigma, KE9 part (!)2(!), Tarkus obv., and yeah The Barbarian just rocks. Greg Lake is also my favourite singer (oh the first vocal part of Trilogy!). Though my very favourite band is Gentle Giant (with ELP and KC close behind), I guess that's my "obsession"? Oh and yeah Dream Theater is probably the most popular Prog-metal bands, very technical, complicated rhythms (not really compared to tech-metal bands though) and has a lot of energy, but for me it gets boring after a while. And copying is somewhat against the nature of progressive rock, why many don't appreciate for example Triumvirat and In The Wake Of Poseidon (and shhh Neo-prog as a complete genre but shhhhh you can't say that ;) |
 Be careful friend! *looks around* Please don't say things that you umm 'shouldn't say on here.' I..I don't want there to be a problem.
Your favorite band is Gentle Giant?? And you're obsessed? Hmm, I might be able to identify with that a little bit. 
Anyway thanks for your input about ELP. I largely agree with it and although Lake is not my favorite singer, he's definitely right up there! Oh and I greatly appreciate your advice about KC, I may have to give them another chance.
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 17:39 |
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Those albums are entirely instrumental, which is why I love them so much. |
Cool! I don't need singing. I really like albums like The Snow Goose by Camel or Nouveau Calls by Wishbone Ash. Now I HAVE to check these out. Thanks again.
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YESESIS
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 17:43 |
dr wu23 wrote:
I suppose my only knock at ELP are the little 'beer hall' cute songs they included here and there on the early albums after the debut. To me they ruined/interrupted the flow of the longer more prog like tracks and the nice ballads. I never understood the point of that.....imho it would have been better to put them all on an album dedicated to the 'fun' songs so as not to affect the flow of the other albums with themed prog tracks. |
Oh like Jeremy Bender. I'm not a huge fan of those either, but don't mind them. Sort of make the records slightly more interesting I suppose lol. Idk, to each their own. Thanks for your input though.
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YESESIS
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 17:52 |
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Hmm seems like their debut is a lot of people's favorite on here, interesting. I like the 3 studio albums after it all better but definitely going have to listen to it again now(it's been a long time) and see what I could have missed..
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 18:57 |
I just looked it up and "Criminal Record" is not entirely instrumental. There's vocals on one track and a choir on others. Six wives which I am familiar with has vocals but no singing per se just "oohs and ahhs" from some of the same singers who were on Pink Floyd's dark side of the moon which explains why the background wordless vocals sound similar. Still I suppose we could call Six wives instrumental.
If you do a search on here I believe you can still find some good threads on instrumental prog.
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - August 03 2017 at 18:57
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YESESIS
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 19:06 |
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I just looked it up and "Criminal Record" is not entirely instrumental. There's vocals on one track and a choir on others. Six wives which I am familiar with has vocals but no singing per se just "oohs and ahhs" from some of the same singers who were on Pink Floyd's dark side of the moon which explains why the background wordless vocals sound similar. Still I suppose we could call Six wives instrumental.
If you do a search on here I believe you can still find some good threads on instrumental prog.
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Cool, that sounds totally right up my alley. Thanks a lot.
And I just finished listening to the debut album all the way through, and it was pretty much like I remembered.. VERY good but still don't like it as much as the three studio albums that followed(they're just more my style).
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YESESIS
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 19:14 |
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
My Favourite ELP lp (by miles) is the self titled first lp, vinyl on the original pink Island label.. and I really like Tarkus. I like Trilogy too but to a slightly lesser extent. My main problem with Brain salad surgery is the production; its very tinny and harsh with limited mid range and an odd metallic sheen over the whole thing.. I understand that perhaps that was intentional for Karn Evil 9 and fits into the futuristic theme but it just makes it almost unlistenable to my ears.. I admit, this is listening to original vinyl on a reasonable spec set up, not a re-mastered version. I briefly worked with a guy who in a previous position worked for ELP in logistics in the 70's and we went to see them on the Black Moon tour and it was a seriously good show and re-kindled my interest in their early lps. And, yes, I thought some of the Emerson, Lake and Powell lp was very good too.. |
Wow, that's cool. And thanks for your input.
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 19:30 |
YESESIS wrote:
Cool! I don't need singing. I really like albums like The Snow Goose by Camel or Nouveau Calls by Wishbone Ash. Now I HAVE to check these out. Thanks again. |
Good to hear! Most of the albums in the list are posted yesterday are instrumental and contain incendiary playing. Let me add two more by Rick Wakeman: Retro and Retro 2. They were recorded entirely with vintage keyboards (Moog, Mellotron, etc.) that were pulled out of storage or borrowed for the sessions. Both songs and instrumentals populate the two, but Retro 2 has less vocals. (I had hoped for a Retro 3 where he went 70/30 or 75/25 with the instrumentals/songs, but it didn't happen.)
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 19:32 |
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I just looked it up and "Criminal Record" is not entirely instrumental. There's vocals on one track and a choir on others.
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It's still considered one of his "instrumental" albums, unlike, for example, JttCotE, 1984, Time Machine, Rock 'n Roll Prophet, Out There, etc.
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