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    Posted: September 07 2017 at 11:48
When I read the descriptions and definitions of "Post Rock" and hear the music that is supposedly associated with this sub-genre I think of many songs and albums from the 1980s and even 1970s that pre-date Hex and Spirit of Eden. What are some of the albums that you think qualify or at least lend to the solidification of the Post Rock era.

I find myself thinking of Brian Eno, Steve Reich, David Sylvian, John Hassell, David Torn, Robert Fripp, and even some goth bands like The Cure and Fields of the Nephilim when I hear Post Rock. 

How 'bout you? 

P.S. If Stereolab is such a defining example of Post Rock, why aren't they in the database here on PA?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2017 at 13:59
The german "krautrock" band from the seventies Neu! comes to mind.

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Magazine, Wire and Killing Joke and PIL were the some of the first bands(certainly in the UK) to go beyond 'New wave' and set some of the foundations for post-rock.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2017 at 15:31
I don't know what to say because I do not know who 

 Simon Reynolds is...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2017 at 17:49
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I don't know what to say because I do not know who 

 Simon Reynolds is...


Simon is the music reviewer who coined the term "Post Rock" in a March 1994 review of the Bark Psychosis album Hex that he published in the review wrote for the magazine Mojo jand then a follow up article in The Wire in May of that same year to elaborate on his idea. He used the term to describe music "using rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes, using guitars as facilitators of timbre and textures rather than riffs and power chords." The sub-genre came to life soon after... 
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Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Magazine, Wire and Killing Joke and PIL were the some of the first bands(certainly in the UK) to go beyond 'New wave' and set some of the foundations for post-rock.

What about My Bloody Valentine? Maybe they were a bit later. I don't really know them that well but I thought I've seen them mentioned as some sort of influence. Also, maybe Kraftwerk. I really can't imagine krautrock not being an influence on post rock(even if not a direct one).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Progmind Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2017 at 19:54
Perhaps the proto post rock it´s Debussy?????????? i Hear similarities in the handling of the timbres between the impressionist movement and the Post Rock.

Sorry for my bad english
 
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Sometimes, I feel we have too many labels to define music. I don't mind that we try to classify music in different genres, but at the end, it's all music, and if you like it, that's all that matters. 
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Sometimes, I feel we have too many labels to define music. I don't mind that we try to classify music in different genres, but at the end, it's all music, and if you like it, that's all that matters. 


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The genre becomes the genre when there are too many bands trying to emulate the sound of the genre starters, successfully or not, adding something personal to the mix or not. When Black Sabbath released "Paranoid" there was no doom metal or stoner rock yet. When Talk Talk released "Spirit of Eden" there was no post-rock either.

Post-rock became post-rock when bands like Explosions In The Sky realized you could rape two-major-chords-progression with tremolo and delay pedals for ten minutes of quiet-loud dynamics and still somehow be cutting edge music. With bands like God Is An Astronaut it had become even more laughable and intolerably stale, so if you need REAL post-rock - try 1988-1998 releases from the genre (check rateyourmusic.com for more info) and don't go any further. Don't be upset tho that most of these releases fall heavily into any other category - electronic, industrial, ambient, krautrock, progressive rock, shoegaze, post-punk, slowcore, doom metal, gothic rock, etc

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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Sometimes, I feel we have too many labels to define music. I don't mind that we try to classify music in different genres, but at the end, it's all music, and if you like it, that's all that matters. 

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Robert Fripp wasn't post rock, he was ambient; at least his soundscapes were.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Magazine, Wire and Killing Joke and PIL were the some of the first bands(certainly in the UK) to go beyond 'New wave' and set some of the foundations for post-rock.

What about My Bloody Valentine? Maybe they were a bit later. I don't really know them that well but I thought I've seen them mentioned as some sort of influence. Also, maybe Kraftwerk. I really can't imagine krautrock not being an influence on post rock(even if not a direct one).

Me too--to both suggestions. I, too, hear Post Rock when I listen to Krautrock.
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Originally posted by Progmind Progmind wrote:

Perhaps the proto post rock it´s Debussy?????????? i Hear similarities in the handling of the timbres between the impressionist movement and the Post Rock.

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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Sometimes, I feel we have too many labels to define music. I don't mind that we try to classify music in different genres, but at the end, it's all music, and if you like it, that's all that matters. 

I get it, I agree, I am more than a binary computer (like/dislike).
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Originally posted by condor condor wrote:

Robert Fripp wasn't post rock, he was ambient; at least his soundscapes were.

I think of Robert Fripp as everything!!!
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Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

The genre becomes the genre when there are too many bands trying to emulate the sound of the genre starters, successfully or not, adding something personal to the mix or not. When Black Sabbath released "Paranoid" there was no doom metal or stoner rock yet. When Talk Talk released "Spirit of Eden" there was no post-rock either.

Post-rock became post-rock when bands like Explosions In The Sky realized you could rape two-major-chords-progression with tremolo and delay pedals for ten minutes of quiet-loud dynamics and still somehow be cutting edge music. With bands like God Is An Astronaut it had become even more laughable and intolerably stale, so if you need REAL post-rock - try 1988-1998 releases from the genre (check rateyourmusic.com for more info) and don't go any further. Don't be upset tho that most of these releases fall heavily into any other category - electronic, industrial, ambient, krautrock, progressive rock, shoegaze, post-punk, slowcore, doom metal, gothic rock, etc

Ye jest weal! 

I like some songs from both of the bands that you single out! Just as I like songs from all of the categories you list: electronic, industrial, ambient, krautrock, progressive rock, shoegaze, post-punk, slowcore, doom metal, gothic rock, even etc.! As Manuel said, I guess it's all about what you like!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2017 at 18:25
Novalis had a few instrumentals that would've fitted very well on a post rock album.

Although Neu! and Kraftwerk have some connections, I find Neu! as suggestion for post rock ancestor very fitting, whereas Kraftwerk don't make much sense in this category in my view.

A few M. Goettsching/Ashra recordings feel like post rock, too.

And, speaking of the Krauts, what about Future Days?
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the pulsating, rhythmical nature of krautrock have never been too popular with post-rock (apart from the electronic side of it), ambient was more a thing I believe. If you check early post-rock albums according to RateYourMusic, you probably won't find a single motorik-based track on those

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cosmiclawnmower Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2017 at 11:56
Perhaps in some ways the term 'Post Rock' has replaced or superseded  the term 'Art Rock'..  
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