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Lewian
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Topic: Post Rock BEFORE Simon Reynolds Posted: September 10 2017 at 19:18 |
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Quite a bit of post rock music has very straight rhythms such as From Monument to Masses, Salarymen, .O.rang, (2010s) Swans, even Talk Talk at times. Edited by Lewian - September 10 2017 at 19:20 |
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Prog-jester
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Posted: September 10 2017 at 14:47 | |
Not really. Art Rock (Talking Heads, Bowie, XTC, etc) was more about being progressive-while-playing-pop-music and relied heavily on the visual aspect, too. Post-Rock had always been less song-oriented, more experimental thing, which is pretty far from popular music. Also it was never about tripping out, so it's NOT a form of Psychedelic/Space Rock, too - something many older Prog fans don't seem to notice. Post-Rock artists do not "jam", there's no blues-influenced soloing and so on. Again, this genre has always been closer to ambient and electronica than to conventional rock/pop music
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: September 10 2017 at 11:56 | |
Perhaps in some ways the term 'Post Rock' has replaced or superseded the term 'Art Rock'..
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Prog-jester
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 18:51 | |
the pulsating, rhythmical nature of krautrock have never been too popular with post-rock (apart from the electronic side of it), ambient was more a thing I believe. If you check early post-rock albums according to RateYourMusic, you probably won't find a single motorik-based track on those
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Lewian
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 18:25 | |
Novalis had a few instrumentals that would've fitted very well on a post rock album.
Although Neu! and Kraftwerk have some connections, I find Neu! as suggestion for post rock ancestor very fitting, whereas Kraftwerk don't make much sense in this category in my view. A few M. Goettsching/Ashra recordings feel like post rock, too. And, speaking of the Krauts, what about Future Days? |
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 17:39 | |
Ye jest weal! I like some songs from both of the bands that you single out! Just as I like songs from all of the categories you list: electronic, industrial, ambient, krautrock, progressive rock, shoegaze, post-punk, slowcore, doom metal, gothic rock, even etc.! As Manuel said, I guess it's all about what you like!
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Drew Fisher
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 17:33 | |
I think of Robert Fripp as everything!!!
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Drew Fisher
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 17:30 | |
I get it, I agree, I am more than a binary computer (like/dislike).
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Drew Fisher
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 17:28 | |
YES!!!
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Drew Fisher
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 17:27 | |
Me too--to both suggestions. I, too, hear Post Rock when I listen to Krautrock.
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Drew Fisher
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condor
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 15:59 | |
Robert Fripp wasn't post rock, he was ambient; at least his soundscapes were.
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 15:18 | |
absolutely! |
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Prog-jester
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 08:49 | |
The genre becomes the genre when there are too many bands trying to emulate the sound of the genre starters, successfully or not, adding something personal to the mix or not. When Black Sabbath released "Paranoid" there was no doom metal or stoner rock yet. When Talk Talk released "Spirit of Eden" there was no post-rock either.
Post-rock became post-rock when bands like Explosions In The Sky realized you could rape two-major-chords-progression with tremolo and delay pedals for ten minutes of quiet-loud dynamics and still somehow be cutting edge music. With bands like God Is An Astronaut it had become even more laughable and intolerably stale, so if you need REAL post-rock - try 1988-1998 releases from the genre (check rateyourmusic.com for more info) and don't go any further. Don't be upset tho that most of these releases fall heavily into any other category - electronic, industrial, ambient, krautrock, progressive rock, shoegaze, post-punk, slowcore, doom metal, gothic rock, etc Edited by Prog-jester - September 08 2017 at 08:50 |
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Progmind
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Posted: September 07 2017 at 20:47 | |
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Manuel
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Posted: September 07 2017 at 20:46 | |
Sometimes, I feel we have too many labels to define music. I don't mind that we try to classify music in different genres, but at the end, it's all music, and if you like it, that's all that matters.
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Progmind
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Posted: September 07 2017 at 19:54 | |
Perhaps the proto post rock it´s Debussy?????????? i Hear similarities in the handling of the timbres between the impressionist movement and the Post Rock.
Sorry for my bad english
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: September 07 2017 at 18:43 | |
What about My Bloody Valentine? Maybe they were a bit later. I don't really know them that well but I thought I've seen them mentioned as some sort of influence. Also, maybe Kraftwerk. I really can't imagine krautrock not being an influence on post rock(even if not a direct one).
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: September 07 2017 at 17:49 | |
Simon is the music reviewer who coined the term "Post Rock" in a March 1994 review of the Bark Psychosis album Hex that he published in the review wrote for the magazine Mojo jand then a follow up article in The Wire in May of that same year to elaborate on his idea. He used the term to describe music "using rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes, using guitars as facilitators of timbre and textures rather than riffs and power chords." The sub-genre came to life soon after...
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Drew Fisher
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Cristi
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Posted: September 07 2017 at 15:31 | |
I don't know what to say because I do not know who
Simon Reynolds is... |
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: September 07 2017 at 14:17 | |
Magazine, Wire and Killing Joke and PIL were the some of the first bands(certainly in the UK) to go beyond 'New wave' and set some of the foundations for post-rock.
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