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Cristi
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Posted: September 10 2017 at 00:14 |
Rutherford's Your Own Special Way
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 23:45 |
Genesis WERE a pop band with Silent Sun. They chose more musically ambitious paths thereafter. I Know What I Like - great Pop song with Gabriel. Trick Of The Tail - great Pop song with Collins. They always had 'Pop' in them. Fortunately, they knew how to balance it out and impress, and that goes for We Can't Dance too !! Though Invisible Touch hasn't aged well AT ALL.
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Tillerman88
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 22:35 |
The great Phil Collins hahahah
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The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories...
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 22:31 |
The first hint that Genesis might turn into a Pop band? The seeds were there right from the outset as Genesis would still have
gone in a more accessible direction if Gabriel had stayed longer, albeit one that embraced world
music. Like Gabriel anticipated before them, Collins, Rutherford and Banks realised that Prog's shelf life was over circa 1976 and that to reach a larger audience, they needed to go in a more accessible direction as their previous audience had largely dispersed. It seems clear that Hackett didn't necessarily share this view. (Genesis were still heavily in debt up to the Lamb Lies Down album and Phil Collins even considered just singing in the band by offering the drum gig to Bob Henrit of Argent, who declined) It's telling that when Jazz Rock was potentially the next big lucrative thing, Phil promptly joined Brand X then departed as soon as the cash registers refused to ring loudly enough. Similarly, he's embraced pretty much every extant contemporary style that's been in vogue from Motown, R'n'B, romantic ballads, to Big Band and even became an incredibly unconvincing actor for a while. Phil bashing has become wearyingly de rigueur over the last few years and although online petitions to dissuade him from returning to the music industry are of course crassly inappropriate, they're not entirely without a sliver of merit.
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Manuel
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 21:14 |
YESESIS wrote:
noni wrote:
When they got rid of Steve Hackett!!.... Frictions occurred with Tony Banks!..... |
I agree it was when Hackett left. I mean I love pop Genesis, but yeah that's pretty much when it happened. |
Yes, that's what did it.
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HackettFan
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 21:12 |
Robbery, Assault and Battery
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A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)
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Dellinger
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 20:53 |
Either "I know what I like", "A Trick of the Tail" or "Follow you, follow me". Though they had some poppy moments before, I Know what I Like is the one that sounds to me more succesful. However, this one was on a very proggy album and even had it's proggy elements, and could be considered more like part of the whole than the new direction for the band. A Trick of the Tail is very poppy too, and given the album had some other (nice) poppy songs (and the fact that a key member of the band had just left), this should have been good signs that the band was changing their sound and direction. And then Follow you Follow me came after another key member left, and while the album did have some "conflict" between proggy and poppy tracks, the success of this particular song must have sealed the direction of the band (plus Phil's succes as a solo pop artist). However, as a first sign, I guess it should be "A Trick of the Tail".
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Quinino
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 16:39 |
"Follow You..." was actually very pleasant when I heard it then, and up to this day I still love the whole ATTWT . BUT - from the feel of it, we could already anticipate what was coming next, couldn't we ?
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 16:39 |
From the list, YOSW, but More Fool Me and Happy The Man where defintely earlier warnings
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Kepler62
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 16:30 |
I went with I know what I like. At least they were one of the few to survive a transition. I stopped at ATTWT. That was about as much as I could take.. saw them in 20017 only because I got free tickets. Absolutely horrible. Mostly because of the lousy sound and the music not synching with the big screen. Absolutely one of the worst concerts I've ever been to in my whole life.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 16:11 |
BaldJean wrote:
"simple" does not equal "pop". anyone who calls "For Absent Friends" or "Harlequin" a pop song is way off the mark
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Thanks for sharing your opinion.
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twosteves
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 16:02 |
follow you follow me ----with just the 3 of them left the writing was on the wall with this catchy pop song
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BaldJean
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 15:49 |
"simple" does not equal "pop". anyone who calls "For Absent Friends" or "Harlequin" a pop song is way off the mark
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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YESESIS
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 15:41 |
noni wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
noni wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
noni wrote:
When they got rid of Steve Hackett!!.... Frictions occurred with Tony Banks!..... |
I agree it was when Hackett left. I mean I love pop Genesis, but yeah that's pretty much when it happened. |
The same happened to Peter Gabriel too!... Love Tony Banks work but he can become a bully !! |
Yeah I've read that he and Gabriel butted heads a lot. I think that may be why Pete never wants to do anymore reunions or anything with them(since the one in '82). |
Steve Hackett has mentioned loads of times, he will do a reunion gig with Genesis, but nothing came about it! ... He does more work on their stuff then Genesis do!!! |
lol yeah.. gotta love Steve.
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noni
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 15:37 |
YESESIS wrote:
noni wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
noni wrote:
When they got rid of Steve Hackett!!.... Frictions occurred with Tony Banks!..... |
I agree it was when Hackett left. I mean I love pop Genesis, but yeah that's pretty much when it happened. |
The same happened to Peter Gabriel too!... Love Tony Banks work but he can become a bully !! |
Yeah I've read that he and Gabriel butted heads a lot. I think that may be why Pete never wants to do anymore reunions or anything with them(since the one in '82). |
Steve Hackett has mentioned loads of times, he will do a reunion gig with Genesis, but nothing came about it! ... He does more work on their stuff then Genesis do!!!
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YESESIS
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 15:16 |
noni wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
noni wrote:
When they got rid of Steve Hackett!!.... Frictions occurred with Tony Banks!..... |
I agree it was when Hackett left. I mean I love pop Genesis, but yeah that's pretty much when it happened. |
The same happened to Peter Gabriel too!... Love Tony Banks work but he can become a bully !! |
Yeah I've read that he and Gabriel butted heads a lot. I think that may be why Pete never wants to do anymore reunions or anything with them(since the one in '82).
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Lewian
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 15:09 |
Follow You Follow Me was the first Genesis song I heard, which made me classify them as pop band I'm not all too interested in. Now, 150 years later, I don't think the song is that bad actually, let alone the band as a whole.
Edited by Lewian - September 09 2017 at 15:09
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noni
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 15:04 |
YESESIS wrote:
noni wrote:
When they got rid of Steve Hackett!!.... Frictions occurred with Tony Banks!..... |
I agree it was when Hackett left. I mean I love pop Genesis, but yeah that's pretty much when it happened. |
The same happened to Peter Gabriel too!... Love Tony Banks work but he can become a bully !!
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YESESIS
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 14:52 |
noni wrote:
When they got rid of Steve Hackett!!.... Frictions occurred with Tony Banks!..... |
I agree it was when Hackett left. I mean I love pop Genesis, but yeah that's pretty much when it happened.
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noni
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Posted: September 09 2017 at 14:35 |
When they got rid of Steve Hackett!!.... Frictions occurred with Tony Banks!.....
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