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    Posted: September 16 2018 at 08:46
Actually of all the prog albums its the one that gets me into ancient and fairy tale mood the most its really epic in a medieval sense.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scorpius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2018 at 15:31
Trespass is actually tied for my fav genesis album, the other being LLDOB. I've always seen it as one of their strongest efforts, and its a shame that it isnt talked about more.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tero1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2018 at 17:51
It still has touches of Genesis to Revelation. Peter’s vocals and overall arrangements.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Old Father Thames Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2018 at 17:03
Trespass is an incredible album and deserves a lot more attention and praise than it gets. Judging from this thread it seems that is happening.Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AreYouHuman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2018 at 22:48

Folks in Belgium didn’t overlook it; they took it to #1, to the surprise of Charisma, who then sent them there to tour and do television appearances.

 

I do agree about the muddy production (rather like the first Camel album) but overall that hasn’t affected my own enjoyment of it.  It’s one of those records I’ve thought of as having a unique feel to it that has never been duplicated.

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I like a lot Trespass, although it´s not as great as their next four albums. But it beats all the after-Gabriel -albums!
 
Also, I like the production and drumsounds, although they´re really different than in their later albums.


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Hmmm. I like Looking for Someone and The Knife a lot as songs, and White Mountains and Stagnation are also fine (the other two don't do much for me). I like the vocals and guitars on this album a lot, but I can't get round the dull sound of the rhythm session. The Knife is so much sharper on the 1973 Live album, I can hardly bring myself to listen to it in Trespass, and it bugs me over the full distance of the album. So not really a favourite of mine although it clearly has its merits.
Hi yes - that's what I meant above when I talked about the muddy mix. It is the one thing that really spoils the album.
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Hmmm. I like Looking for Someone and The Knife a lot as songs, and White Mountains and Stagnation are also fine (the other two don't do much for me). I like the vocals and guitars on this album a lot, but I can't get round the dull sound of the rhythm section. The Knife is so much sharper on the 1973 Live album, I can hardly bring myself to listen to it on Trespass, and this bugs me over the full distance of the album. So not really a favourite of mine although it clearly has its merits.


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Yeah - The Knife is a whole different feel to the other 5 tracks. Stands on its own really.
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The Knife was probably the primary song that served as my gateway into pre-Abacab Genesis. It planted the seed which slowly grew until it blossomed into a full blown love of and preference for early to mid 70s Genesis. A couple of other songs like The Lamb, and Trick played a part but it was definitely The Knife that was the catalyst. 
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I do like Trespass a lot. However, I have to bear two things in mind:

1. The influence of Anthony Phillips is very very strong on this - and if you listen to his solo work, it becomes rather obvious. So I'd call Trespass a 'Genesis with Anthony Phillips' album really. And the band did change a lot when Phil Collins and Steve Hackett joined.

2. I think the entire album is spoiled by the rather muddy mix - and this hasn't improved much with the Remixed version. There's a lack of clarity with the instrumentation generally, which doesn't in any way spoil the emotional 'feel' of the tracks, but does offend the hifi buff's ear!

But I think Trespass is more musically timeless than - say - Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot, and has stood the test of time better. (I only recently discovered that The Knife was originally going to be called The Nice as the band members liked them!! I was also miffed to discover that the lyrics are Gabriel's satire on revolution, rather than a contemporary 'call to arms'; that's not what we thought in the early 70s when the track was our guiding light)
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The Knife is my favorite. First track Looking For Someone also very good. 
The rest of the album is kind of dull and I usually skip it.

Highlights of this album is more prominent usage of flute , and more guitars (Banks and Rutherford also contributed on acoustic guitars) 




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the knife and looking for someone are the best for me
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cosmiclawnmower Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2017 at 17:03
It was a huge jump from 'From Genesis to Revelation' to Trespass; a much, much greater progression than from Trespass to Nursery Cryme (in fact, as far as the band were concerned NC was a bit of stand-still, still much of which was composed from left-over parts of 'the Movement').. and naturally looking back after all the successful albums
which came later, it may seem naďve and a little primitive but this is the real birth and in my personal view, nearly the purest essence of 'Genesis'

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AEProgman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2017 at 16:47
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I love Jim's review of it (man I miss him):


Yes, it is overlooked and I also remember and loved his review of it!  

Miss his posts/reviews as well, hope all is OK with him and just taking a leave of absence of the PA.  My RPI experience would most likely be non-existent without his guidance...
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It starts and ends very well (Looking For Someone, The Knife, the latter standing out as one of the band's loudest tracks), and the rest, although not outstanding, is worth listening several times. Overall an OK record, overshadowed by the band's following four titles. 

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Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Knife was actually inspired by The Nice - Rondo (Rutherford was a fan and brought it to Banks attention) . very Emersonesque . I never liked the Genesis Live version. Collins playing it was similar to Palmer playing Rondo in ELP. Too busy. Its needs that solid uncomplicated drumming to make it work properly.

The rest of the album is nice enough . Dusk and Stagnation stand out for me but as already said The Musical Box was a big stride forward with the added clout of Hackett and Collins (much like Wakeman and Howe elevated Yes around the same time).
That's really interesting you say that. To me the Collins version of The Knife, in Genesis Live (1973) is so much better, yet as an album, I prefer Trespass, without Collins, to Nursery Cryme, with Collins.

It's the same with Script For A Jester's Tear, which is an album I really love. I so much prefer Mosley to Pointer as a drummer, yet Script For A Jester's Tear is a much better album than Fugazi. Maybe it's the fact that the first Marillion album features their best material which they are anxious to release first.

Then with Trespass you have a situation where Anthony Phillips favours 12-string guitar over Steve Hackett, who favours electric guitar. So if Steve Hackett had played on the Trespass studio album would the album had been just as good. All you can say is that Trespass recorded with Phil Collins and Steve Hackett would have been a much different album to the album we listen to. But would it have been better? Who can say?

I think I may be alone in my feelings about The Knife as you echo many others views. The Knife is all about the keyboard and nothing else for me. You could almost do it with a drum machine and it would still work fine. 

Fugazi is my Favourite Fish era Marillion album. Never was a fan of Script regardless of the slightly poor drumming. IQ was where it was at for meTongue
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote doomguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2017 at 19:22
Love this album! Anthony Phillips is a great musician that I feel is a bit underrated somehow. I mean it's tough when the guy that replaces you is Steve Hackett, but his solo career is beautiful and I love how his guitar sounds in Stagnation especially. Just beautiful.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote António Dias Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2017 at 14:31
Sorry I'm new here!!I wrote "Yes" but I ment Yes  as beeing overlooked, because it's a good album but not beeing the best Genesis album, no way!!
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Originally posted by felonafan felonafan wrote:

perhaps, Trespass is the best album of the band. Each song is very great!
Yes!!! Although it's a good album the next 5 albums in a row are way much better: Nursery Crime 71, Foxtrot 72, Selling England by the Pound 73, The Lamb lies down on Broadway 74, A trick of the tail 76
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