Trespass - an overlooked Genesis classic? |
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Squonk19
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You've answered my original question folks - many thanks. Very pleased to see most of you enjoy Trespass as much as the other early Genesis albums. Overlooked? Definitely not, thankfully.😀
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dr prog
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Love the title track. First album cooler imo. Sounds nothing like Genesis though
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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M27Barney
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Loads of mellotron on Trespass.....
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Rednight
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It's pretty pure prog prototype, alright. It's been difficult for me to get into, though, but I do enjoy Gabriel's youthful vocals on it. It definitely was a bellwether as to what they'd become in a few short years.
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BrufordFreak
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Me too! Side One was good, but not great. Side Two is among the bands' best. Period. The opening and closing songs, "Stagnation" and "The Knife" are among the creepiest and powerful vocal and musical performances they ever did and "Dusk" is among the most gorgeous, purely pastoral songs (fore-shadowing Ant's solo career) containing an absolutely magical PG vocal performance--in the same league, IMHO, as that of "The Lamia." |
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Personally, I consider Trespass a stepping stone, an artistic success, and definitely a Unique piece of music. I'd rather have this naive-fairytale-ethereal vibe than saccharine compositions of A Trick of the Tail or Wind and Wuthering. Admittedly, subpar production and undeveloped songwriting skills hurt this album a bit... but still, Trespass is the first Genesis record that sends me to a pleasant, fantasy world of high castles and pre-raphaelite gardens, so beautifully hinted on the album cover. Post-Gabriel albums, while good, RARELY send me anywhere. And this is the reason I listen to prog in the first place.
But I must say this: when it comes to rating, currently Trespass might be a little overrated on Progarchives. Average of 4.16 is much higher than Benefit, The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other or In the Wake of Poseidon - all of them being more accomplished and progressive (also released in 1970). |
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Despite being credited on the sleeve, the Mellotron doesn't figure big on Trespass at all.. much of it was written and worked up before they actually owned one (I think they had either borrowed one or there was one for use in the studio when they recorded Trespass) and I think it was just before they started recording Nursery Cryme when they purchased the ex- Crimson one. Has anyone listened to the 'Genesis plays Jackson' 1969 demo on the 1970-1975 boxset?? it was something that I had been waiting for many, many years and for a long time thought lost.. Originally parts of 'The Movement' which was worked up whilst they were living at the Cottage and used for a proposed arts programme about the painter, Michael Jackson and contained parts which would later appear in Trespass, Nursery Cryme and the Lamb lies down.. but sadly it was aborted.. Produced by Paul Samwell-Smith after Peter Gabriel's flute session for Cat Stevens..
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Tom Ozric
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There’s something with Trespass that the other Genesis albums lack. I don’t quite know what it is, but Trespass is possibly my favourite album from the PG period.
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I love Jim's review of it (man I miss him):
'5 stars Perhaps in my top 25 Trespass is a very special Genesis album. It is the only Genesis album which featured my favorite band line-up and if you look at the overall album rather than individual songs, I'm not sure they ever made a finer album. I can't overstate how important Anthony Phillips and Peter Gabriel are to my idea of the perfect Genesis. (After Lamb Genesis would fall several notches for me starting with the fairly weak Trick of the Tail.) While Steve Hackett and Phil Collins may have been technically more gifted than their predecessors, it is not technical savvy alone that makes great music. Trespass was the perfect marriage of youthful naivety, sentimentalism, band chemistry, and great songs. Everything comes together so perfectly here. After their debut, Genesis picked up their new drummer John Mayhew and gigged around working on new material and getting tight as a group. Mayhew is no Phil Collins in the technical sense but as I mentioned I welcome that. He gets the job done without overplaying and is perfectly adequate for this album. Much more important is the presence of Ant Phillips who is the heart and soul of Trespass. With his songwriting influences and gorgeous 12 string acoustic guitar playing, Trespass is awash in the same lush drapery that fills his later solo album The Geese and the Ghost. Ant is also a hugely underrated lead guitarist and his short solos and lead bursts are simply jaw dropping throughout. Gabriel is beyond fantastic with a youthful, soul-filled, passionate singing voice backed up by his significant flute passages, with probably more flute here than any other Genesis album. Released in 1970 Trespass caught Genesis up to Pink Floyd (Atom Heart Mother) in quality and while surging them ahead of Yes (Time and a Word) and King Crimson (Poseidon). Musically Trespass is a feast for the ears and imagination, a celebration of times long gone, of medieval stories and myths. Ranging from softer acoustic sections to the aggressive rock of "The Knife," Trespass offers everything the Genesis fans needs but offers the extra delight of Phillips delicate touch and leadership. The youthful Gabriel is stunning in his intensity on "Looking for Someone." Listen to the way Banks and Phillips back up Pete during the early vocals, these gorgeous little runs dropped just perfectly, with an attention to detail every bit as effective as they would achieve on any of their higher rated albums. And I'd argue they are *more* musically pleasing on this one. Fantastic dramatic development and pastoral melodic grandeur are nearly non-stop throughout. "White Mountain" is all about mood sounding like an early lost Renaissance track. "Visions of Angels" is a leftover from the first album's sessions but was spruced up for inclusion here. It sounds very similar to the songs from the first YES album and is superb despite being noticeably different in feel from the other five songs here. Listen to the care Mayhew brings to the piece, there is certainly no reason whatsoever to feel shorted by Collins absence on Trespass. "Stagnation" was Tony Bank's favorite because it moved quickly from one passage to the next. It is perhaps the most elegant and mature piece of songwriting shifting between moods and styles. "Dusk" is a mellower favorite with lovely vocal harmonies and blended acoustic guitars over bell and flute. "Musical hot fudge" as my better half offered while we walked under the cold moon tonight talking about the album. And then comes "The Knife." Every bit as energetic and feisty as "Watcher of the Skies" or "Epping Forest" it is the transitional track from the calmer waters of Trespass to the increasingly more rocking albums ahead. Again, listening to the performances here I find Hackett having nothing over Phillips and Mayhew perfectly suited without any pretension. Not only is Trespass a masterpiece in my book but I honestly think it may be the single finest Genesis album, at least if you are looking for heart. I think it really outperforms both Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot-both of those albums have some higher individual moments but also some lower ones. If you combined the best Cryme/Foxtrot moments you'd have another masterpiece, but compare the three side by side and I'll choose Trespass which is so much more alive! Give the new remaster a fresh listen and see if it doesn't capture your heart.' |
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M27Barney
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I think I gave trespass five stars - as it's a very important release in terms of symphonic progressive rock and it's early evolution. Not in my top 25 though - but maybe in my top 200. And it was bettered by all the following genesis releases until ATTWT except TOTT which I feel is slightly inferior and WAW which is equal.
So You would have SEBTP F NC LLDOB T & WAW TOTT not bothering with the rest as they aren't proper Genesis.....
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António Dias
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António Dias
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Sorry I'm new here!!I wrote "Yes" but I ment Yes as beeing overlooked, because it's a good album but not beeing the best Genesis album, no way!!
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doomguy
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Love this album! Anthony Phillips is a great musician that I feel is a bit underrated somehow. I mean it's tough when the guy that replaces you is Steve Hackett, but his solo career is beautiful and I love how his guitar sounds in Stagnation especially. Just beautiful.
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richardh
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I think I may be alone in my feelings about The Knife as you echo many others views. The Knife is all about the keyboard and nothing else for me. You could almost do it with a drum machine and it would still work fine. Fugazi is my Favourite Fish era Marillion album. Never was a fan of Script regardless of the slightly poor drumming. IQ was where it was at for me
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Blaqua
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It starts and ends very well (Looking For Someone, The Knife, the latter standing out as one of the band's loudest tracks), and the rest, although not outstanding, is worth listening several times. Overall an OK record, overshadowed by the band's following four titles. |
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AEProgman
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Yes, it is overlooked and I also remember and loved his review of it! Miss his posts/reviews as well, hope all is OK with him and just taking a leave of absence of the PA. My RPI experience would most likely be non-existent without his guidance...
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Cosmiclawnmower
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It was a huge jump from 'From Genesis to Revelation' to Trespass; a much, much greater progression than from Trespass to Nursery Cryme (in fact, as far as the band were concerned NC was a bit of stand-still, still much of which was composed from left-over parts of 'the Movement').. and naturally looking back after all the successful albums which came later, it may seem naďve and a little primitive but this is the real birth and in my personal view, nearly the purest essence of 'Genesis'
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grantman
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the knife and looking for someone are the best for me
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awaken77
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The Knife is my favorite. First track Looking For Someone also very good.
The rest of the album is kind of dull and I usually skip it. Highlights of this album is more prominent usage of flute , and more guitars (Banks and Rutherford also contributed on acoustic guitars) Edited by awaken77 - November 27 2017 at 11:19 |
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