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    Posted: November 10 2017 at 14:01
What are you views on this? Does anyone know about the maximum wage under socialist regimes?
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I'm trying to earn it :)
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It seems much more constructive to me to make sure the top earners are properly taxed.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote condor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2017 at 18:42
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

It seems much more constructive to me to make sure the top earners are properly taxed.

Yes, but isn't a maximum wage easier to achieve?
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Originally posted by condor condor wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

It seems much more constructive to me to make sure the top earners are properly taxed.

Yes, but isn't a maximum wage easier to achieve?
The easiest would be to make the wage the same for everyone.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote twseel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2017 at 02:14
It may cut down on some bureaucracy perhaps, if that's what you mean, otherwise I'd say that high incomes are much better managed by looking what the money is used for and taxing less directly, contrary to minimum wage, where you have a pretty homogeneous use of the income as well as actual urgency not to drop lower, e.g. to have a minimum.
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By "socialist" countries, is this an Americanism or are we actually talking about "socialist" countries ? ;-)

In the USSR, which was arguably "socialist" until the New Economic Policy of 1921, everyone was supposedly paid an equal amount. However. This absolutely never happened in practice, with people being designated as "responsible workers" and getting a higher pay packet, better living conditions, more perks.  To own a dacha - a country house - you absolutely had to be a member of the Party, and most people seemed to join for financial or career progression, rather than out of political conviction. 

If we're talking "socialist" as an Americanism for places like Scandinavia, my experience of working abroad is that there isn't really a maximum wage, but you quickly fall into higher tax brackets than here in the UK, which effectively caps what you earn quite quickly. I preferred living in Holland and Germany, it was a socially fairer system. 

I do think it's time for a maximum wage, though. Although most of the rich are sneaky enough to get around it. 200k opens you an anonymous Swiss bank account, I seem to recall - or was it 300k ? Tax free, you just sign a disclaimer that it's not the result of illegal or terrorist activity. 
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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

To own a dacha - a country house - you absolutely had to be a member of the Party 

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Actually, I am of the opposite opinion....


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Let the market decide.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote condor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2017 at 10:19
Originally posted by Big Swifty Big Swifty wrote:

Let the market decide.

Why?
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You're going to have to define what you mean by maximum wage before anything meaningful can be said. 
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Originally posted by condor condor wrote:

Originally posted by Big Swifty Big Swifty wrote:

Let the market decide.

Why?

Because there's no better way to determine the value of things (or, in this case, labour)?
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I honestly don't care what people earn, so long as it's been earnt through legal means. I'd rather see a better aproach to taxation. As big business is globalised it's currently easy for them to legally avoid their fair share of taxation, so one approach maybe for global taxes for big business to managed through the WTO and UN, and distributed the nations appropriately, in which they operate.

There should be no such thng as tax havens. For anyone.
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by condor condor wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

It seems much more constructive to me to make sure the top earners are properly taxed.

Yes, but isn't a maximum wage easier to achieve?
The easiest would be to make the wage the same for everyone.

I don't even think Karl Marx would agree with that. It would certainly not go over well in the US(or most of Europe). Maybe in a country closer to pure communism though.
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Well it's easy in the way that it's an easy policy to write and maintain
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by condor condor wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

It seems much more constructive to me to make sure the top earners are properly taxed.


Yes, but isn't a maximum wage easier to achieve?

The easiest would be to make the wage the same for everyone.


Make everyone equally poor? Doesn't sound like a very good system.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by condor condor wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

It seems much more constructive to me to make sure the top earners are properly taxed.


Yes, but isn't a maximum wage easier to achieve?

The easiest would be to make the wage the same for everyone.


Make everyone equally poor? Doesn't sound like a very good system.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2017 at 05:31
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by condor condor wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

It seems much more constructive to me to make sure the top earners are properly taxed.


Yes, but isn't a maximum wage easier to achieve?

The easiest would be to make the wage the same for everyone.


Make everyone equally poor? Doesn't sound like a very good system.




The grass is always greener. Our current system is badly broken. That's true enough.

But, with the greatest of respect, millenials know nothing about communism or living under it. Ask most people who lived in the former Soviet Union, would they like t go back there and the answer would be a resounding NO! put it this way, very few people used to defect TO the USSR, back in the day. I grew up with Czech refugees, I know what they went through...

Of course, communisim, like capitalism - with its promises of trickle down economics - works brilliantly on paper, and this is what millienials, and all advocates of communism probably go on, but as history has shown, theory and practice differ enormously in politics. For example, the across the board equality millenials strive so hard to achieve on college campasses and beyond, has no place under communism.

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