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Hi,

I'll be looking for this, although I tend to stay away from folks writing about "progressive" and "prog" because in most cases the definition for them is a cookie cut out, and that is not what anything that we originally called "progressive" or "prog" was even about ... although we now tend to think that "prog" is a form of cookie copy of the original "progressive".

I find, the definitions of each band as "progressive" horribly faulty, and almost all of them break apart the definition of the word, but we ignore that fact all of a sudden because of one composition ... it's like saying that Beethoven is great for his 5th ... and lousy for anything else including the 9th ... the whole thing becomes so ridiculously under-educated, that it makes me feel like ... leaving the room!

This, btw, was a point that Peter Michael Hamel made in his book (Through Music to the Self), and I originally thought it was a bit stuck up, but in the end, it really is true, because we are not considering the person a composer ... we're only thinking of him/her as a popular artist with a new song, and we don't like it as much as the rest ... sort of like saying Led Zeppelin stinx after Stairway to Heaven, when they were far better and more pleasing in the first 2 or 3 albums ... see the point? And the comparison would then be ... ridiculous!

I'll be looking for this.  Thx for the heads up!

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moshkito Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 16128	Topic: Citizens of Hope and Glory Posted: December 24 2017 at 08:38
	Hi, I'll be looking for this, although I tend to stay away from folks writing about "progressive" and "prog" because in most cases the definition for them is a cookie cut out, and that is not what anything that we originally called "progressive" or "prog" was even about ... although we now tend to think that "prog" is a form of cookie copy of the original "progressive". I find, the definitions of each band as "progressive" horribly faulty, and almost all of them break apart the definition of the word, but we ignore that fact all of a sudden because of one composition ... it's like saying that Beethoven is great for his 5th ... and lousy for anything else including the 9th ... the whole thing becomes so ridiculously under-educated, that it makes me feel like ... leaving the room! This, btw, was a point that Peter Michael Hamel made in his book (Through Music to the Self), and I originally thought it was a bit stuck up, but in the end, it really is true, because we are not considering the person a composer ... we're only thinking of him/her as a popular artist with a new song, and we don't like it as much as the rest ... sort of like saying Led Zeppelin stinx after Stairway to Heaven, when they were far better and more pleasing in the first 2 or 3 albums ... see the point? And the comparison would then be ... ridiculous! I'll be looking for this. Thx for the heads up!
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M27Barney Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136	Posted: December 22 2017 at 09:41
	Just read this in a couple of days. A personal take on prog from a geezer called Stephen Lambe - his taste probably differs from mine - but apart from the fact that he thinks that 'Tales from Topographic Oceans' should be shorter (I think that its far too SHORT now!) - Its a good read. He also thinks that "The Flower Kings" is prog-by-numbers - which I totally disagree with - but opinions will differ! Good book to pick up if you want a bit of light reading.