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    Posted: July 27 2018 at 16:49
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I'm surprised this thread got resurrected after 6 months when a general consensus seemed to have been reached. Not particularly regarded as top notch Rush, but either tolerated, ignored or liked for their change of tempo, within the context of the albums - but never really 'hated' as implied initially. I'm sure there are more interesting posts in the deep archives of PA for those with the time to look and then to comment upon.
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While I certainly don't hate those songs, they're both fairly low in my Rush rankings.

Here is why I think that is.

Maintaining control on a slow, quiet song is actually more challenging for most vocalists than ripping a real screamer.  

These songs  are from Geddy's early scream period.  While I have no problem with hard rockers doing ballads, my impression is that this was before Geddy had developed the vocal control to convincingly deliver a ballad like he can on his most recent albums.  
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I think both songs are good yet unspectacular. Both songs tend to be overlooked, because Rush played a loud hard rock style in the 70's and these songs are quiet and mellow, and Rush fans who like the 80 's style, most likely started with Permanent Waves or Moving Pictures, didn't go back to listen to the previous albums too often. Plus the fact that I don't think either song was ever played live, didn't help popularize either song.
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"Red Lenses" is a GREAT song. There are no bad songs on Grace Under Pressure. None. It kicks a$$ from beginning to end!

I like "Madrigal." My HS buddy who turned me on to Rush was never too keen on it, nor "Tai Shan." And the worst Rush songs are found on Snakes & Arrows and Side B of Roll The Bones.
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Originally posted by LastSonOfGallifrey LastSonOfGallifrey wrote:

Alex Lifeson recently stated in an interview that he hates 'Panacea' and 'Tai Shan', but I think that's crazy because I love both songs.
Well, you’re not Alex Lifeson
Red Lenses is my fave song from Grace.
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Alex Lifeson recently stated in an interview that he hates 'Panacea' and 'Tai Shan', but I think that's crazy because I love both songs.
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Originally posted by LastSonOfGallifrey LastSonOfGallifrey wrote:

I've never liked 'Rivendell', but I think 'Madrigal' fits in very nicely on AFTK.

For my money, 'Red Lenses' is the worst song Rush ever recorded.

No way, I love the bass line. As for Rivendell I get why people don't like it. However, it's just a very relaxing tune. I think it might be good for insomniacs.LOL I actually posted on a Rush fan site a poll where I asked which of a few Rush tunes was the "sleepiest" and Rivendell was the run away winner unsurprisingly. I had Madrigal on there too which got a few votes also.
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Madrigal is the perfect set up for what's to come(Cygnus X) and so is Rivendell(In the End). As far as them being hated?? I never thought that they were hated. Rush fans generally love their favorite band 😂😂

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I've never liked 'Rivendell', but I think 'Madrigal' fits in very nicely on AFTK.

For my money, 'Red Lenses' is the worst song Rush ever recorded.
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One of the first songs I learned on guitar was "Rivendell" Beautiful song.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

What's wrong with Slayer? I used to like them in the early eighties - must have some vinyl by them somewhere in the loft, in a really stomping angry mood I reckon I would still appreciate some of their material.
Madrigal and Rivendel - wonder if it's got anything to do,with the fact that both titles have three syllables?
Slayer are awesome !! Much more exciting than Metallica. You don’t need to be angry to dig Slayer these days. Back in the day - I think - listening to Slayer, Venom and whatever, was like shooting smack...........
Not like that in this day and age.
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Hi Steve
The issue is nobody was fighting about it, there were some meaningful initial posts. It could have grown into a nice discussion about the two songs.........but it got littered with trash.
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These songs are ok but not worth fighting over. Wink
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

......sheezus, let’s all kiss and make up. It’s Rush, dammit, not Slayer

I can agree, but when there are polarizing members that litter a simple thread like this one where no meaningful discussion can be had, it ain't worth it brother......it ain't worth it.
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What's wrong with Slayer? I used to like them in the early eighties - must have some vinyl by them somewhere in the loft, in a really stomping angry mood I reckon I would still appreciate some of their material.
Madrigal and Rivendel - wonder if it's got anything to do,with the fact that both titles have three syllables?
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

......sheezus, let’s all kiss and make up. It’s Rush, dammit, not Slayer

Well, given the choice I'd rather kiss Rush than Slayer. However, I'd rather stick a fork in my eye than kiss any of them.
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......sheezus, let’s all kiss and make up. It’s Rush, dammit, not Slayer
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I don't know songs in specific. I listened to ALL records of this band, and the music just did not touch me. But I don't remember any specific songs. Got it now?

Sure, would be nice if people explained themselves clearly on their first attempt..You get that?

I'll never get that time I wasted in my posts back into my life.....damn....lesson learned.
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Too mellow. 
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