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Taking more inspiration from non-occidental musical genres would be a first step to a renewal.

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Judging by the flippant comments on this thread I'm guessing most here don't take this question seriously. But there is one thing I would dearly love to see: more young, talented musicians entering the Progosphere. There are some, for sure, but we could use MORE MORE MORE!!!

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I wish modern bands would get rid of the gated drums effect and get rid of all early generation cheap keyboards from the late 1980s and 1990s (their poorly imitative sounds drive me crazy!)

I'm all for incorporation of old ideas and old sounds but I'd like to see less emulation, replication, and imitation. 

Be bold! Be brave and risky. Trust in your own creative instincts--your own intuition! And don't be afraid to use outside, objective feedback during the engineering and production phases. 

Otherwise, I am very encouraged by the many young people who have felt drawn to this medium for their artistic expression. Keep on proggin'! 
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In all seriousness: I'd remove the sticker 'prog' from most up and coming bands that try to take the next progressive step in rock music. Especially the ones that don't sound like prog;) We are certainly not doing them any favours.
Keep it simple with the stickers instead: experimental, far out, psychedelic, trippy, intricate and so forth. No sense in trying to shoehorn music that sounds nothing like the prog of yesteryear down the same increasingly non-sensical bag.

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Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

I can't really explain but I can say that my next album sounds like aggressive Mars Volta metal with zero jamming and plenty of mellotron. And I have a couple sounds that currently sound like Rick Wakeman playing in modulating keys over blastbeats.

I've always wanted those things so I worked my ass off to do it.
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More songs and albums that lyrically deal with social and political issues. Unlike punk rock prog seems afraid to talk about issues that really matter to the every day person. 
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Prog is a terrible genre label (at some point somebody will call a genre "New" and the true New fans will then still call the same music "New" 50 years later) and should be replaced by something more appropriate such as Gorp.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

In all seriousness: I'd remove the sticker 'prog' from most up and coming bands that try to take the next progressive step in rock music. Especially the ones that don't sound like prog;) We are certainly not doing them any favours.
Keep it simple with the stickers instead: experimental, far out, psychedelic, trippy, intricate and so forth. No sense in trying to shoehorn music that sounds nothing like the prog of yesteryear down the same increasingly non-sensical bag.

I agree.....Clearly prog does not mean what it did 30yrs ago, I struggle thinking of any band today that is prog. Atmospheric/moody/dark/reserved seems to be the tone of the day (Ana_thema, Marillion, Riverside...). It's fine but not always is this type of music fun to listen.
So for me the question I cannot answer cause I don't consider most of today's music prog.......If I want to listen to prog I'm fine spinning my records from the 70's.


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More comparing apples and oranges.
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I wish modern bands would get rid of the gated drums effect and get rid of all early generation cheap keyboards from the late 1980s and 1990s (their poorly imitative sounds drive me crazy!)

I'm all for incorporation of old ideas and old sounds but I'd like to see less emulation, replication, and imitation. 

This is actually articulated very well, and something I think about a lot. The top-tier bands had "the sound", because that's all that technology allowed at the time. It's funny to think bands take gear that's 3-4x as expensive, then try to make it emulate older stuff LOL.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2018 at 10:59
I would start a prog rock website that featured prog album reviews, a prog album discography and feature prog chat forums...
 
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^Sweet idea. The next logical step would be to install street signs, mountains and store fronts.
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More music sites like PA that offer forums like this.

I've found some really great bands on here that otherwise would of missed without this forum.  I love music a lot and adore discovering newer or bands otherwise would never of found.  There used to be more music forums around but they seem to be dying a bit!....Cry
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Originally posted by noni noni wrote:

More music sites like PA that offer forums like this.

I've found some really great bands on here that otherwise would of missed without this forum.  I love music a lot and adore discovering newer or bands otherwise would never of found.  There used to be more music forums around but they seem to be dying a bit!....Cry

Try Progressive Ears if you haven't. Forum is pretty good.

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Prog is a terrible genre label (at some point somebody will call a genre "New" and the true New fans will then still call the same music "New" 50 years later) and should be replaced by something more appropriate such as Gorp.
 
While I agree with what you're saying with regards to the label "Progressive", I think the shortened form "Prog" actually fulfils the same role as "Gorp" would.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by noni noni wrote:

More music sites like PA that offer forums like this.

I've found some really great bands on here that otherwise would of missed without this forum.  I love music a lot and adore discovering newer or bands otherwise would never of found.  There used to be more music forums around but they seem to be dying a bit!....Cry

Try Progressive Ears if you haven't. Forum is pretty good.

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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Prog is a terrible genre label (at some point somebody will call a genre "New" and the true New fans will then still call the same music "New" 50 years later) and should be replaced by something more appropriate such as Gorp.
 
While I agree with what you're saying with regards to the label "Progressive", I think the shortened form "Prog" actually fulfils the same role as "Gorp" would.
 

"Gorp" is an awful word to use!...Confused

The Oxford English Dictionary cites a 1913 reference to the verb "Gorp", meaning "to eat greedily".
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Originally posted by noni noni wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Prog is a terrible genre label (at some point somebody will call a genre "New" and the true New fans will then still call the same music "New" 50 years later) and should be replaced by something more appropriate such as Gorp.

 
While I agree with what you're saying with regards to the label "Progressive", I think the shortened form "Prog" actually fulfils the same role as "Gorp" would.
 


"Gorp" is an awful word to use!...Confused

<span style="color: rgb34, 34, 34; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">The Oxford English Dictionary cites a 1913 reference to the verb "Gorp", meaning "to eat greedily".</span>


Which perfectly describes my listening habits over the last year.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Atmospheric/moody/dark/reserved seems to be the tone of the day (Ana_thema, Marillion, Riverside...). It's fine but not always is this type of music fun to listen.

This is why I secretly like prog subgenres. If they didn't wear out their welcome on PA, I would suggest calling the bands you named as Nu Prog.
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