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2 Big: Cardiacs' Big Ship & Rush's The Big Money

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Poll Question: Choose your Big preference of these two
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    Posted: March 08 2018 at 16:04
Are you big on either of these Big songs?

I doubt this will be a Big Generator of Big Fun, but these are two "Big" tracks that came out at about the same time.   There are other "big" tracks that I like, including Big Science by Laurie Anderson, Kha-Ym's Big Ben, and the gloriously named Hatfield and the North's "Big Jobs No. 2 (By Poo Poo and The Wee Wees)" and so many more, but I just wanted to focus between these two. If you are to choose one, please choose which you enjoy the most from a musical perspective rather than just voting for the biggest hair please.

Here's a live version of both:





If you wish to acquaint yourself with studio versions:
Cardiacs' Big Ship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGZAqTEXpTU
Rush's Big Money music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQgu0MpnKq8
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maryes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2018 at 16:21
Cradiacs are very good but ... RUSH is better !!!Clap
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Big pass for me. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2018 at 17:33
Originally posted by maryes maryes wrote:


Cradiacs are very good but ... RUSH is better !!!Clap


Depends on the song and album, of course, and even then it's subjective, but while I think that The Big Money is a good song, I find Big Ship more vibrant, dynamic, climactic and, in keeping with the big theme, grander. I voted for it.

I've sometimes wondered how well Cardiacs would have been received as an opening act for Rush (they have some musical similarities in the 80s). Famously Cardiacs was booed and pelted when opening for Marillion. I think it's fun to imagine Cardiacs opening that concert in the Rush video with Big Ship, or better yet, closing the concert with it. Yeah, I really need to start having deeper thoughts - lol. Yesterday it was stepping on a dinosauar which got me thinking about making a dinosaur poll -- pathetic, I realise, lol. This poll was supposed to make up for creating such a lop-sided one before as I thought this might be pretty even (even if Rush is much more popular).

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Big pass for me. 


Big surprise from me, I thought Big Ship would be up your seaway. After so many years on this forum for both of us, and so many posts, I should know your tastes better than I do. I often play the quiet prediction game of what I expect people to post in any given thread (we all look for patterns), but I've been getting worse at it over the last few years (well, my memory is not what it was).

EDIT: Ugh, can't seem to write a simple post without multiple typos.

Edited by Logan - March 08 2018 at 17:53
"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views" (Doctor Who - The Face of Evil, Jan 22, 1977).
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There are at most 5 songs in the world that can beat Big Ship. None of them is by Rush.


Edited by Lewian - March 08 2018 at 19:29
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2018 at 22:58
RUSH
U    S
S    U
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2018 at 02:17
Rush by far 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2018 at 09:20
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

There are at most 5 songs in the world that can beat Big Ship. None of them is by Rush.



I adore Big Ship. I was hoping some people would discover it thanks to this poll and like it (even if they still voted for Rush). I expect most everyone here already knows The Big Money.

As a side question, which of those concerts in the vids would people most liked to have attended? It says 1989 in the Rush video, but it's from the Hold Your Fire tour by Rush which occurred in 1988 which opened with Big Money (it was released as a live album and video in 1989) -- not sure which particular gig the video is from -- maybe some of you were there? The Cardiacs concert is the 1990 Salisbury Arts Centre (the Maresnest one). I would love to have been there for Cardiacs and I'd feel like a part of history more having attended that particular gig (and I'd like to hang out around Salisbury) which was done for the Maresnest live concert film.

Did anyone here attend either of these? Much more likely that some of you will have seen Rush on the Hold Your Fire tour as that had many big venues of course than seen Cardiacs perform there.

From: http://www.death.plus.com/cardiacs/cdxgiglist.htm

June 30: Salisbury Arts Centre
SPECIAL GUEST APPEARANCE BY SARAH SMITH
TIM QUYS FINAL GIG WITH CARDIACS. CREDITED ON "MARESNEST"

Tim Smith: "It was horrible, really like one of those yellow panic nightmares where everythings going wrong and you can't stop it, but I kept thinking it was a nightmare then about halfway through the evening I tried to wake up and I realised this was ACTUALLY HAPPENING, right? so I panicked but nothing was going right and nobody could hear anything and Sarahs sax kept cutting out, and I think thats on the video, me shouting to myself that I can't stop it... but everyone else said it was a REALLY good gig!"
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I don't care for either song, personally!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2018 at 09:58
Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

I don't care for either song, personally!


Hey, no worries, it's all good. I appreciate you taking the time to check out the music (if you didn't know both already) and comment.

Edited by Logan - March 09 2018 at 10:01
"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views" (Doctor Who - The Face of Evil, Jan 22, 1977).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jeffro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2018 at 10:31
I would say I'm big on neither song. Big Ship is a very interesting song but I would struggle to say that I liked it. 
I'm a huge Rush fan but I never cared much for Big Money. It was the first single released for Power Windows and I got sick of it pretty quickly, so much so that I would almost always skip it when playing the album. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Argo2112 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2018 at 14:40
^ I hear ya, I love Power Windows but Big Money isn't my favorite track on the album. Although Geddy does do some nice bass work on it. 
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Cardiacs easily
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I like both actually, but after doing some thinking, Big Ship takes my vote.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rushfan4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2018 at 17:05
Big Money for me.  I had not heard the Big Ship song so thank you for sharing.  It was pretty good.  Funny enough the vocalist's singing style reminded me a bit of Steve Hogarth, so it is funny that Marillion fans would have booed and pelted them...unless maybe it was the Fish fans. 


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Love both, voted Cardiacs
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2018 at 08:09
There's enjoyable reading in this thread for me, thanks to those who responded. Big bump, as this fell far down page two in a number of hours. Someone has been frenetic with necroposting - haha. I'm not complaining. Discussion at this site has slowed down (not that polls tend to engender the most discussion), and it needs a little juice now and then.

Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

I would say I'm big on neither song. Big Ship is a very interesting song but I would struggle to say that I liked it. 
I'm a huge Rush fan but I never cared much for Big Money. It was the first single released for Power Windows and I got sick of it pretty quickly, so much so that I would almost always skip it when playing the album. 


Really well expressed, so thank you. I'm a sucker for the synth in it, but had I gone with favourite, as memory serves, I think I would gone with Marathon.

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Big Money for me.  I had not heard the Big Ship song so thank you for sharing.  It was pretty good.  Funny enough the vocalist's singing style reminded me a bit of Steve Hogarth, so it is funny that Marillion fans would have booed and pelted them...unless maybe it was the Fish fans. 



It was the fans of Fish era Marillion. I hate to say the Fish fans because if thay had been his real fans, they wouldn't have been so rude to a band that her personally asked to come on tour with them, and really enjoyed. It actually bugs me more that it was so direspectful to Fish and Marillion than how rude it was to Cardiacs. Fish intervened and berated the "fans", and good for him. I can imagine how embarrassing it must have been for Marillion (Fish especially as is was his particular wish to have them support the band). I know some people feel responsibility for their "fans" behavior even though you can't control those people, and it likely was a rowdy minority, and one bad apple can incite/ motivate others to join in in the spirit of the moment -- look at how riots escalate. Emotions tend to run high at events.

For any Cardiacs fans here, there's an interesting article which mention this, as well when Blur gave them a support slot and audience members pelted them with coins. Silly side-note: if I were in a support slot, I wouldn't mind being pelted with wadded up paper money, but coins hurt. The proper way is like with belly dancers, you put the bills in the clothing, though I don't think Tim Smith would have reacted well if some people got on stage and started stuffing money down his trousers.

Cult heroes: Tim Smith led the Cardiacs in the face of hatred – and much love

Here's an excerpt from the article:

Originally posted by Pete Cashmore for the Guardian Pete Cashmore for the Guardian wrote:

There’s a school of thought that says that if you are hated with the same passion with which you are loved, then you must be doing something right. That being the case, Tim Smith and his shifting cast of characters must have got it absolutely bang on. Those of us who love them do so with a fervour that makes Southern Baptists in the throes of worship seem like uninterested wallflowers; those who don’t tend to use Cardiacs as a go-to reference point for horrible, terrible music: a ghastly dungheap of quirky self-indulgence and forced weirdness. Back when I was a teenage fanzine writer, I interviewed Tim, and among all the terrified fawning (I think at one point I used the phrase: “You’ve been present at every one of the best nights of my life”) I kept going back to one question: “Why do people hate you so much?” Tim didn’t really know, and seemed, as I look back on it, a little bit saddened by being asked about it again.

Not everyone does, of course. Blur cite them as a major influence, and “repaid” their debt by giving Cardiacs a support slot at their huge Mile End Stadium gig in 1995, a move that saw Britpop fans rejecting Tim and his chaps like a bad organ and pelting them with so many coins that they inadvertently paid for the band’s post-gig dinner. Interestingly, nearly a decade earlier, the band were lynched off a Marillion tour in similar circumstances, inviting opprobrium so strong that at one point Fish marched on stage to intervene, which I think underlines the breadth of their anti-appeal – celebrity fans like Faith No More, Napalm Death, Radiohead and Mark Radcliffe underline its precise opposite.


Edited by Logan - March 10 2018 at 08:15
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