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Mortte 
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 Posted: March 19 2018 at 05:51 |
^According to BBC-document of top ten progressive rock the most popular progbands have been in order: 1. Pink Floyd 2. Genesis 3. Moody Blues 4. Jethro Tull 5. Yes 6. ELP 7. Rush 8. Hawkwind 9. King Crimson 10. Camel.
I think you´re right the popularity of Genesis become really much their eighties success. But anyway King Crimson is ninth, over Camel. And I don´t believe it´s popularity is just explained of after seventies success, because they never have been even near as big as Genesis after seventies.
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Hmm...at the time of it's release I would say no. In retrospect yes.
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I sometimes wonder that if this album were packaged as two side-long tracks, would that dispel the "commercial" argument I see so often?
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 08:10 |
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Of course it's overrated.
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^This....all so-called great albums are a bit overated.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 08:14 |
Yes, it is. Although a great LP, their next two were far superior to it.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 08:15 |
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I sometimes wonder that if this album were packaged as two side-long tracks, would that dispel the "commercial" argument I see so often? |
I would say no as I feel that the album's commercial tag is due to it's sales and not that people regard the music as pop.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 08:25 |
Well...it is commercial and pop in the sense that two radio friendly singles were pulled from it and the public knows it well on that level.......not something that happens to most prog albums. That doesn't diminish it but it is what it is.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 08:27 |
^ True Doc. I recall that my 6 yr old grandson went nuts the first time he heard "Money" played from my stereo! 
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 10:43 |
For me its like this
DSOTM was the greatest piece of marketing in rock history. Fantastic album cover and spending a whole year on it was genius. Not because it made it better but because you can just say you did.
BUT even as a sceptic it still has 4 great PF songs - Us and Them , Time , Breathe and Great Gig In The Sky. Those 4 songs make it worthwhile but ultimately they went on to do better albums with the next couple , both of which are correctly rated amongst the best prog albums. IMO
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 10:46 |
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Hmm..for some reason that cover was so much more impressive when it first hit the public. Maybe it was just the water pipe talking.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 11:39 |
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I believe I just can´t ever understand that opinion, which seem to be very common here, that WYWH is better than DSoTM. If somebody has still interest, I really liked to know the arguments why somebody´s thinking it´s better. What they do better in WYWH than DSoTM? And don´t say better songs, I´ve heard that and disagree.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 12:09 |
Anyone who says that DSOTM is over-rated has "been mad for f**king years. Absolutely years". I feel sorry that they missed out enjoying the best album ever created. To heck with opinionated "ratings", the following "facts" tell the story... - 741 weeks (14 years) on the Billboard 200 chart.
- 1500 weeks (and counting) on the Billboard 200 + Billboard Catalog Albums charts.
- Over 45 million copies sold worldwide.
- 45 years after its initial release, it is still selling.
- One in every fourteen people in the US under the age of 50 is estimated to own, or to have owned, a copy.
- At any given instant, it is estimated that DSOTM is playing somewhere in the world.
- When EMI released it on CD, demand was so great that they dedicated a factory in West Germany to producing it (and ONLY it) around the clock.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 12:13 |
Oh yeah, forgot to add that... 45 million copies sold over 45 years is equivalent to: 2740 albums sold... every DAY... for 45 f**king years straight!
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 12:30 |
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^ That's exactly why some people argue that it is overrated. Not because it is of low quality (it is not) but because it has the status of the greatest rock album ever made.
Edited by Larkstongue41 - March 19 2018 at 12:31
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 12:57 |
Mortte wrote:
I believe I just can´t ever understand that opinion, which seem to be very common here, that WYWH is better than DSoTM. If somebody has still interest, I really liked to know the arguments why somebody´s thinking it´s better. What they do better in WYWH than DSoTM? And don´t say better songs, I´ve heard that and disagree. |
I can only speak for myself, naturally, and I feel that WYWH is awesome because it followed DSotM and actually bettered it while not treading old ground.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 13:09 |
Mortte wrote:
^According to BBC-document of top ten progressive rock the most popular progbands have been in order:1. Pink Floyd 2. Genesis 3. Moody Blues 4. Jethro Tull 5. Yes 6. ELP 7. Rush 8. Hawkwind 9. King Crimson 10. Camel.
I think you´re right the popularity of Genesis become really much their eighties success. But anyway King Crimson is ninth, over Camel. And I don´t believe it´s popularity is just explained of after seventies success, because they never have been even near as big as Genesis after seventies.
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Well, that says BBC so obviously it's British based. I'm in the US so I can only speak from that perspective and knowledge. Yes at number 5? Not in the US. They would probably be number two and they certainly would not be behind Genesis in the seventies. Genesis were much bigger in the UK than they were in the US in the seventies but according to some English people I spoke to they still didn't get really big until they focused on singles so probably late seventies early eighties. However, despite what this english woman said they still had albums in the top ten album charts in the seventies in the UK where as in the US their first top ten album was either Abacab or Duke and first gold was ATTWT. Genesis not nearly as big as Pink Floyd in the eighties? I strongly disagree. I would say Genesis were not as big as Pink Floyd over all not even in that decade. They might have sold more albums in that decade but their over all popularity would still be lagging behind.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 13:16 |
Larkstongue41 wrote:
^ That's exactly why some people argue that it is overrated. Not because it is of low quality (it is not) but because it has the status of the greatest rock album ever made.
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Yep, similar to how myself and many others consider the Beatles to be over rated.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 14:21 |
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Larkstongue41 wrote:
^ That's exactly why some people argue that it is overrated. Not because it is of low quality (it is not) but because it has the status of the greatest rock album ever made.
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Yep, similar to how myself and many others consider the Beatles to be over rated. |
The Beatles ain't overrated
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 14:33 |
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Overrated, why not?
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 15:58 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Larkstongue41 wrote:
^ That's exactly why some people argue that it is overrated. Not because it is of low quality (it is not) but because it has the status of the greatest rock album ever made.
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Yep, similar to how myself and many others consider the Beatles to be over rated. |
The Beatles ain't overrated |
Ain't? 
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