Starless vs Echoes

Starless

Mortte wrote: Dellinger wrote: ^ Well, it was long enough that there wasn't much to improvise on it, nor did they have to make arrangements because of the lack of an orchestra from the original version. Still, often the guitar solos are played with more energy on the live versions... but the comeback part after the screeching guitars... they just never got it right again... and for some reason, Wright never played (as far as I have heard) that beautiful keyboard part again... perhaps my favourite moment from him and he just didn't do it again live, he just played some much less melodic keyboard parts. The point in my comment was, that I think trippy jam is something you can´t do again at least very near the same. So Echoes haven´t ever been something, they just jam in the studio and listened afterwards "that sounds great, let´s put it in the album". I think it has been thought and arranged entity in it´s first place. But on the other hand their "jamming" didn´t end in the 1971, as many of us know, they played Dark Side live before recording and some parts are different. Also early versions of Dogs and Sheep are little different. As far as I know the Wall is first album, where exists no early versions of it´s songs (well if I remember correct Rog did demos from it´s songs, but I quess they will be never released).

Those demos have surfaced as Bootlegs, and have actually been officially released within the immersion sets of the album. Also, for what I have read, there seem to be demos on different stages of development for the songs. Actually, one of the demos I got to hear from Another Brick part 1 is my favourite version of that song, with some dark guitar parts in the instrumental part of the song that I really like better than what was eventually recorded and released. But in general, for what I have heard, the final versions of the songs are much better than those demos.

Dellinger wrote: ^ Well, it was long enough that there wasn't much to improvise on it, nor did they have to make arrangements because of the lack of an orchestra from the original version. Still, often the guitar solos are played with more energy on the live versions... but the comeback part after the screeching guitars... they just never got it right again... and for some reason, Wright never played (as far as I have heard) that beautiful keyboard part again... perhaps my favourite moment from him and he just didn't do it again live, he just played some much less melodic keyboard parts.

The point in my comment was, that I think trippy jam is something you can´t do again at least very near the same. So Echoes haven´t ever been something, they just jam in the studio and listened afterwards "that sounds great, let´s put it in the album". I think it has been thought and arranged entity in it´s first place. But on the other hand their "jamming" didn´t end in the 1971, as many of us know, they played Dark Side live before recording and some parts are different. Also early versions of Dogs and Sheep are little different. As far as I know the Wall is first album, where exists no early versions of it´s songs (well if I remember correct Rog did demos from it´s songs, but I quess they will be never released).

Echoes

Echoes has been of course a great Floyd piece to me always, but not ever as great as it seems to be many here. When I started listen Floyd, the whole Dark side went over it. Many Floyd listening years Atom Heart rose over it, also older material. Like somebodies here I don´t think it´s just trippy jampiece, as far as I know it was their first piece they started to play same way all the time (never heard any different versions of it, like there is from Atom Heart, Set the Controls, Embryo etc.). 

starless by far, and it's not probably not in my top 10 KC songs (hmm said the same thing about Schizoid a few polls over - better check that list )

Echoes is great when you're stoned, but Starless is great all the time.

There was this exact poll on RYM just the other week.

I said: "Echoes can drag a bit, Starless never drags."

This poll is to me all about the mood I'm in and the company I am in, they are just mind blowing compositions in prog in my opinion but I can't say I`m always in the mood for both, when I am I`m really swept up in them.  I went with Starless  with an even respect for Echoes.

dr wu23 wrote: Starless......not wise to vote against the mighty Crim......bad things have been known to happen.  ;) And I have always felt that Echoes was a bit too long for it's own good.