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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Peart lyrics bad????? Crazy off beat opinion, rather silly. I would not call them bad but Yes lyrics are pretty nuts and make very little sense.....Way too many bowls of hash and too much meditating.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Rush rules!!!
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Peart lyrics bad????? Crazy off beat opinion, rather silly. I would not call them bad but Yes lyrics are pretty nuts and make very little sense.....Way too many bowls of hash and too much meditating.
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Dude, Peart's lyrics are awesome!

Also, Jon Anderson has stated several times it's more about the sound of the words than the actual meaning. Because of this, a lot of Yes lyrics sound like alphabet soup when you listen closely, lol.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

too much emphasis on Geddy's voice... what was really cringworthy during those prog years was not his voice. It was those horrible Peart lyrics. While Geddy's voice was.. umm.. distinctive.. and for many, including myself, quite endearing.. those absolutely terrible lyrics can ruin the prog rush experience.

that said...  Rush is a good entry point for new people to Rush.  Get it out of the way quickly.. weed them out quicly. if you are put off by silly hyper intellectualism by muso's no smarter than the guy who cleans your toilets at the office and often painfully bad lyrics. You need not apply further with prog hahaha.  

You seriously think Rush lyrics are bad? I can honestly say I think this is the first time I ever heard anyone say that. I actually think quite the opposite. I think they are some of the best lyrics not just in prog but in music period. I would love to hear who you think has better and more intelligent lyrics. 

of course I do...... and you do need to get out of the fishbowl more.  The notion that Peart's lyrics are cringeworthy is not a creation of my off center warped trollish mind but a real conversation point you'll find in serious discussions about Rush.

David hit the nail on the head earlier in the thread...  Rush is and forever will be a adolescent boy band.  And if you haven't got them by the time you are 25.. you likely won't. There is a reason for that.. it isn't the music for god's sake.. not Geddy's voice.. it is IMO (and yes others) it is the often ham-handed 'philosophy for loser teenage boys' that Peart was quite renowned for in their prog incarantion haha. Oh sure he matured as a lyricist as the years went by and Rush became AOR not prog.. but that is not the point of the thread is it.  
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Peart lyrics bad????? Crazy off beat opinion, rather silly. I would not call them bad but Yes lyrics are pretty nuts and make very little sense.....Way too many bowls of hash and too much meditating.
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Yeah, Yes's lyrics do make sense to the inebriated, I suppose.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2018 at 09:37
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Peart lyrics bad????? Crazy off beat opinion, rather silly. I would not call them bad but Yes lyrics are pretty nuts and make very little sense.....Way too many bowls of hash and too much meditating.
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Yeah, Yes's lyrics do make sense to the inebriated, I suppose.

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Oh, we also drank bottled water because one of the guys told us that pop was bad!

AND, we thought that medieval clothing, make up and knee high boots were awesome, and wore them, although if we did that at school the principle and the teachers would tell you to go home, shower and dress and then come to school!

The dope wasn't bad, the music was better, and the scene? Too much Clairol and Hair coloring for my tastes and the kisses tasted awful with all those chemicals!
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ahhhh.. and in lieu today of acid you can trust dropping,  good weed and clean needles

we have posts by our beloved Pedro....  Heart
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

The dope wasn't bad, the music was better, and the scene? Too much Clairol and Hair coloring for my tastes and the kisses tasted awful with all those chemicals!
You kids from the 70's and 80's had it much better then my g-g-generation. The hippy chicks I hung with didn't even bath, let alone dye their hair or wear makeup!
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

You kids from the 70's and 80's had it much better then my g-g-generation. The hippy chicks I hung with didn't even bath, let alone dye their hair or wear makeup!

While I am sure it is fascinating listening to Steve's tuna-boat memories of 1960s girls with bad hygiene and hairy armpits, returning to the subject I think you're better off fooling someone into liking prog. Don't even mention prog. Let them listen to 1970s Floyd or Tull, depending on their musical proclivities, and then ease them into something more outlandish. For god's sake don't just drop a VdGG or Henry Cow album on them out of nowhere. They could become mentally scarred and end up hating you.
 


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The fact that you mention VDGG in the same sentence as Henry Cow and then used the word mentally scared tells me I'd probably like Henry Cow. :D 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

The hippy chicks I hung with didn't even bath, let alone dye their hair or wear makeup!

You didn't complain. LOL!
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Micky, you still haven't mentioned which bands have better lyrics than Rush? Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion about Rush and their lyrics. To each their own I guess. I do agree with you though that if you haven't "gotten" them as a band by the age of 25 you likely won't but I think the same is true about Yes and actually most prog. 

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - April 07 2018 at 11:39
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Neil's a great lyricist. There have been times when he seemed to phone it in, but when he's on, he's ON.
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You guys...are Neil Peart's lyrics overrated or underrated...?

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Peart lyrics bad????? Crazy off beat opinion, rather silly. I would not call them bad but Yes lyrics are pretty nuts and make very little sense.....Way too many bowls of hash and too much meditating.
LOL

Dude, Peart's lyrics are awesome!

Also, Jon Anderson has stated several times it's more about the sound of the words than the actual meaning. Because of this, a lot of Yes lyrics sound like alphabet soup when you listen closely, lol.

Exactly. Post of the day as far as I'm concerned. Wink 

I defy anyone to find me a lyricist who is more well read and has more intelligent and thought provoking lyrics than Peart. Can't do it because it can't be done. LOL The guy has read about a book day for the past fifty years. 


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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

You kids from the 70's and 80's had it much better then my g-g-generation. The hippy chicks I hung with didn't even bath, let alone dye their hair or wear makeup!

While I am sure it is fascinating listening to Steve's tuna-boat memories of 1960s girls with bad hygiene and hairy armpits, returning to the subject I think you're better off fooling someone into liking prog. Don't even mention prog. Let them listen to 1970s Floyd or Tull, depending on their musical proclivities, and then ease them into something more outlandish. For god's sake don't just drop a VdGG or Henry Cow album on them out of nowhere. They could become mentally scarred and end up hating you.
 


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Why all the discussion about the quality of Peart's lyrics?  Rush isn't even prog, let alone good prog, so the whole point is moot.  It's a discussion for a generic rock 'n roll forum.  Seriously, we should add a new genre called "Prog Wannabe's" and add Rush, Kansas, and everything that Steve Wilson has done.
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I who came from a heavy metal/hard rock phase right into prog didn't have a difficult time to get used to the hard prog music that they made, but still Geddy's vocals are a tough nut to crack, even more than any metal vocalist. 

Though, I still think theirs is a weird sound, considering they're not symphonic prog like most prog bands even if you ended up getting into Rush you might have difficulties liking other ones that are softer. As others have said, getting into any type of music requires you to listen to many many bands all at once so as to expand your sound palette quicker.
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Originally posted by Argos Argos wrote:

I who came from a heavy metal/hard rock phase right into prog didn't have a difficult time to get used to the hard prog music that they made

Good point.

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Originally posted by Argos Argos wrote:

I who came from a heavy metal/hard rock phase right into prog didn't have a difficult time to get used to the hard prog music that they made, but still Geddy's vocals are a tough nut to crack, even more than any metal vocalist. 

Though, I still think theirs is a weird sound, considering they're not symphonic prog like most prog bands even if you ended up getting into Rush you might have difficulties liking other ones that are softer. As others have said, getting into any type of music requires you to listen to many many bands all at once so as to expand your sound palette quicker.

I also crossed over from metal (into progressive electronics first!) and I never had an issue with Gedd's voice. Not one bit. Awesome singer.

There are some metal vocalists I could never get into, like King Diamond. Awful.
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