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Who are van Hagar? A Scandinavian van Halen tribute band?
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80's Rush wasn't influenced by The Monkees or The Osmonds, but by The Police and The Fixx.

And to call The Police or The Fixx bubblegum or garbage is beyond me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M27Barney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2018 at 13:36
Bubblegum just means music for morons in my interpretation. Something that isn't really listened to just mindlessly chewed upon....Thus bubblegum....

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"Owner of a Lonely Heart" comes to mind immediately.  
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

"Owner of a Lonely Heart" comes to mind immediately.  


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It's a bit of an oxymoron in my opinion. Sure, there is some cheesy sounding prog but I don't think I would call any of it "bubblegum."

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

It's a bit of an oxymoron in my opinion. Sure, there is some cheesy sounding prog but I don't think I would call any of it "bubblegum."


"Owner of a Lonely Heart."  

At the 40th Anniversary concert in Chicago, there were many families including parents and their young "tween" daughters.  

When OOALH was played, said tweens gave out a collective squeal of delight = the definition of bubblegum.  

Howe, on the other hand, looked like he had just eaten a rabbit poo sandwich as soon as he started to play that song.  (Tip o' the hat to Lazland for the "rabbit poo" analogy). 
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Aye 90125 is awful. I'd rather eat a dogsh*t sarnie than listen to that again. But Yes did some rather better stuff later on. So I will leave them out of the prog sell out set!

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Nothing to do with prog, but the Sweet is called bubblegum and I think many are thinking them to be absolutely rubbish band. Really recommend all seventies heavy music fans to listen their Sweet Fanny Adams-album, itīs in my ten best seventies heavy albums list.
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Thought the sweet were glam-rock?
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Who are van Hagar? A Scandinavian van Halen tribute band?

no, this is how some people named the Sammy Hagar years with Van Halen. Obviously "Van Hagar" is meant to be a derogatory term. 
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^The Sweet was one of the major glam-rock bands from a movement to which also belonged: Middle of the Road, Slade, Gary Glitter, Suzi Quatro, Mud, David Cassidy etc. etc. I was 11, 12, 13 in those days, so these bands were a stepping stone on my way to prog. I might classify some of these as bubblegum, but not The Sweet's later output.
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I think it was a small step from bubblegum to glamrock.
Both were manufactured and producer-driven with lots and lots of help from outside-writers.

I like glamrock because of it's playful and sexual approach. Not as a genre but more as a way of songwriting (Queen, Uriah Heep, Roxy Music).
For the same reason I can enjoy disco not as genre but more incorporated in music.
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Owner of a lonely heart(to me at least)is pop not bubblegum. It's not even prog so I wouldn't call it bubblegum prog even if I did think it was bubblegum. 
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Perhaps it's just me. But signals hasn't got a single track on it that I would wish to hear again. It's absolute garbage. From moving pictures to signals is possibly the biggest drop in quality over one release in the history of music. Signals is awful. Period. Moving pictures is not as good as it's predecessors but it's not a heaving pile of electro pop rubbish. Or is my memory of it mistaken?

You wouldn't be the first person to abandon Rush after MP. Yes, Signals, and subsequent albums were quite different than Rush's 70s output and they went pretty heavily into synths, as many, many 70s rock bands did in the 80s. Bigger hair, more synths, more power ballads, more music in general from bands in the 70s that rocked and now in the 80s were venturing from rock to a more adult contemporary sounding music. No question about that but again to say that Rush went that way in order to line their pockets is simply wrong. 


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I must confess - the first single I bought was -"Fox on the run" by "the sweet". I think they produced some of the better music from the glam-rock genre  (after queen of course). I prefer to do my dad-dancing to "teenage rampage" or "blockbuster" (only when I've imbibed enough alcohol of course) - I am not dancing round my hand-bag to "Dancing Queen" by abba....Cool I am an awful dancer - my one-foot dad-dancing moves are legendary at family parties - possibly due to the comic factor rather than any technical merit. 
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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Perhaps it's just me. But signals hasn't got a single track on it that I would wish to hear again. It's absolute garbage. From moving pictures to signals is possibly the biggest drop in quality over one release in the history of music. Signals is awful. Period. Moving pictures is not as good as it's predecessors but it's not a heaving pile of electro pop rubbish. Or is my memory of it mistaken?

You wouldn't be the first person to abandon Rush after MP. Yes, Signals, and subsequent albums were quite different than Rush's 70s output and they went pretty heavily into synths, as many, many 70s rock bands did in the 80s. Bigger hair, more synths, more power ballads, more music in general that was venturing from rock to more adult contemporary. No question about that but again to say that Rush went that way in order to line their pockets is simply wrong. 
To be fair - I'm offering that as an explanation to attempt to exonerate the Rush trio - I can forgive the output due to greed - they are only human....Mind you if you are saying that they went that way because they thought it was better.....how come they didn't do any track longer than six minutes?? - They could have done a couple of nostalgic releases surely?
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

"Owner of a Lonely Heart" comes to mind immediately.  

Sure. Owner of a Lonely Heart sounds just like it was written for the Archies or the Monkees in the 60s/70s. Confused

Good lord, if we actually think that Owner of a Lonely Heart is an example of bubblegum rock then I just don't know what to say anymore. I think people need to brush up on the bands that are considered to be bubblegum and exactly the type of music they were producing. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2018 at 05:32
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

"Owner of a Lonely Heart" comes to mind immediately.  

Sure. Owner of a Lonely Heart sounds just like it was written for the Archies or the Monkees in the 60s/70s. Confused

Good lord, if we actually think that Owner of a Lonely Heart is an example of bubblegum rock then I just don't know what to say anymore. I think people need to brush up on the bands that are considered to be bubblegum and exactly the type of music they were producing. 

Exactly. Well said.
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