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Thanks for your answer.....I was thinking same.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2018 at 15:16
The success/failure of presidential terms really isn't an outweigh situation...it's an aggregate of everything that happens/he does in office. I think if he does some good (which admittedly is difficult if impossible to find atm) a majority will give him kudos for that. (And clearly if you are right leaning his contribution to the supreme court is a major boon regardless what else happens (and he may get a couple more before the end of his term)). But just because he does good doesn't erase the bad (and visa versa) 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Money Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2018 at 17:17
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Could any positive actions by Trump (such as disarming N. Korea) outweigh his negatives (such as race baiting?)


What is race baiting?

Stating that within a gathering of nazis and white supremacists that there were "some good people", would be a good example.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2018 at 04:27
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Trump and positive actions - that's what those who speak Latin call a contradictio in adiecto
Or what in English is known as an oxymoron.

no, it is not. you miss a big difference between an oxymoron (which actually is Greek meaning "sharp-blunt") and a contradicitio in adiecto. an oxymoron is a rhetorical device of combining two opposites and thereby creating a completely new meaning. examples are "bittersweet", "open secret", "love-hate" or "deafening silence".

these phrases, although being apparent contradictions, are nevertheless meaningful and generally understood. but "Trump and positive actions" does not fall into this category; it is merely a contradiction.

for more information see this article by a retired professor of English:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-contradiction-in-terms-and-oxymoron

some people give "pretty ugly" as an example for an oxymoron. it is however not because the meaning of "pretty" in this example is not "pleasing to the eye" but "quite"

Thanks jean. I'm hip to what an oxymoron really means but any descriptive with moron in it just goes good with Trump. My favorite oxymorons are 'small crowd' and 'woke up dead'.
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My personal take is that Lil' Kim is playing Trump like a dime store harmonica, but if  Trump could get N. Korea or Iran to really back off with the nukes, I would be absolutely relieved and truly impressed enough to boast that he did some good.

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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Could any positive actions by Trump (such as disarming N. Korea) outweigh his negatives (such as race baiting?)


What is race baiting?

Stating that within a gathering of nazis and white supremacists that there were "some good people", would be a good example.

Or what that old wrinkled Pelosi said about "white guys"....That rings better than what you wrote based on BaldJeans' definition, Wrinkl-osi wants votes so the "white guys" don't win.


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^ I suppose both could be called race-baiting, but given the nazis record of murder and destruction, I would consider claiming that some of them are "good people", is something far more disturbing.
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^ Bravo! In a world where facts have become secondary and low lives in power are the norm, it's good to see that Nazi's are still scum.
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Thanks anti-nazi brother.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2018 at 11:52
I don't worry about Nazi's, they will never be in power again. But they will always be around, when did they stop being scum??
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Money Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2018 at 12:09
^ The nazis won't be in power again as long as people make sure they don't get in power again.
Also, some people have a lot more reason to be concerned about nazis than others.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I don't worry about Nazi's, they will never be in power again. But they will always be around, when did they stop being scum??
They stopped being scum when someone said that some of them were good people. Now who could that be?
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Don't talk about Trump's weight. He's insecure about it.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I don't worry about Nazi's, they will never be in power again. But they will always be around, when did they stop being scum??
They stopped being scum when someone said that some of them were good people. Now who could that be?

I'm sure tons of people have said there were/are good ones. What I remember is Trump said there were good people, other than the neo-nazis in that crowd of protesters taking down the monuments, as well as on the other side. Yes there were neo-nazis but I too bet there were others in that crowd that have good reasons not to remove history, be it bad or good.

Just because they were protesting the removal of those monuments, does not mean they were bad or are nazi supporters.
There is a black history professor (I think) in Virginia who is also against removing some of those civil war/slave era monuments.......Do you consider him a slave activist? I seriously doubt that black guy agrees with anything a Nazi might say.

His best option was to steer away from that topic, but at the end of the day Trump is not a Nazi lover, that's ridiculous. 
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^ The people in that protest were chanting "blod and soil" a well known nazi slogan, they were also chanting 'the Jews will not replace us". The next day they were beating black men over the head with steel poles.
If you don't call those people nazis, what exactly do you call them?
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^ Frightened, deeply misled sh*theads.   Or Nazis.

Trump may not be a Nazi but he flirts with being a Nazi-sympathizer.   Of course he has no integrity, so we can't really call him anything.   He is a floater with nationalistic, xenophobic tendencies.

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I don't think Trump is a nazi, but people who march in formation chanting 'blood and soil' and 'the Jews will not replace us' are either nazis or well on their way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MortSahlFan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2018 at 18:10
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Trump and positive actions - that's what those who speak Latin call a contradictio in adiecto
Or what in English is known as an oxymoron.

no, it is not. you miss a big difference between an oxymoron (which actually is Greek meaning "sharp-blunt") and a contradicitio in adiecto. an oxymoron is a rhetorical device of combining two opposites and thereby creating a completely new meaning. examples are "bittersweet", "open secret", "love-hate" or "deafening silence".

these phrases, although being apparent contradictions, are nevertheless meaningful and generally understood. but "Trump and positive actions" does not fall into this category; it is merely a contradiction.

for more information see this article by a retired professor of English:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-contradiction-in-terms-and-oxymoron

some people give "pretty ugly" as an example for an oxymoron. it is however not because the meaning of "pretty" in this example is not "pleasing to the eye" but "quite"

To quote Megadeth, "military intelligence. two words combined that don't make sense."


I thought that was George Carlin :)

If we don't go to war, it'll be major, but he's only added MORE..
And that 1.5 trillion to the 1% - robbing Peter, Paul, AND Mary to pay people like Donald and Hillary..

Obama was almost a Republican, Clinton was right-winged when it came to the important stuff (not the stock Democrat votes), we need someone with the last name of Roosevelt... America needs a "New Deal"... However, I can't see anyone being worse than W/Cheney
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Here is a video of the nazis that Trump referred to as "some good people" chanting 'the Jews will not replace us".
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^ Long ago the Jews learned a hard lesson about white supremacists, being understanding, complacent, optimistic or open minded does not end well.
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