Any Prog characteristics in music theory?

ExittheLemming wrote: M27Barney wrote: The last sentence explains the prior unforseen predilection for mongolian throat clearing....anything sounds good after playing ABBA even the sound of a hurtling 3 mile wide meteor as it tears through the atmosphere prior to slamming into mother earth... If it lands anywhere near Swinton we can call it the music of the spheres

Well. In that case, at ground zero our suffering will probably be measured in seconds...the rest of mankind may suffer for considerably longer...so sounds like a result to me 😎

^ What I know about Tennis could be written down on a post it note in 20 point upper case....but I think that the dynamics of 2 men facing each other on a small court is possibly far less complicated than 22 men on a far larger playing surface...

M27Barney wrote: ^ What I know about Tennis could be written down on a post it note in 20 point upper case....but I think that the dynamics of 2 men facing each other on a small court is possibly far less complicated than 22 men on a far larger playing surface...

M27Barney wrote: Data science is invaluble for computers to set the odds so that your brainless proletariat can be fleeced by on line betting companies. But however you monitor Tranmere Rovers, the data aint ever going to get them to win the FA cup anytime soon...as was just proven...

rogerthat wrote: ... Data can't help a mediocre team win, that's not what it is used for.  It can help explain why teams win or lose and thus devise strategies better.  This is what music theory does too, simply provides an explanation for why something works or appears to work.

Moshkito wrote: My only "request", if I may, is that these not be about RULES ...

Again, it's descriptive not prescriptive. Adam Neely confirms this exact same message:



I appreciate the little reference to my discipline in Adam Neely's analogy to the difference between descriptive and prescriptive linguistics. I am a linguist and he is right on point.

Moshkito wrote: ... and spend more time accepting that this and that person did something different with this and that detail ... and this is where some things go off badly ... and I remember Keith using a couple of knives in the old days ... and it wasn't to show off ... it was to get an extended sound from that part so he could play something else ... in the days where the machines being used were not as good/great in effects as they became!

Even a minimal understanding of music theory could have aided you in avoiding such an irrelevant example. Nothing in music theory has ever constrained the use of knives. The knives created harmonies that were entirely consistent with music theory. No controversy here. Move along.

Moshkito wrote: ... and to me, this is the only issue I have with "music theory" that has been stuck in stone for hundreds of years, and is continually looking stupid after so many years, but in between, you are always the stupid and stubborn kid that won't learn the theory!

Music Theory has not been stuck in stone for hundreds of years. Jazz and Rock have not been around for that along. Context gleaned simply from this thread alone should have told you that. Music theory has changed with changes in genres. The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization, for instance, was written in 1953. The last part about "the stupid and stubborn kid" is a narrative worthy of any Trump rally. Knowing stuff is not elitism.

I've learned stuff from so many disparate sources. I asked a local guitar teacher for a recommendation. For an accessible work for beginners, he recommended a book from Steve Vai called Vaideology. For some really interesting nitty gritty, I recommend The Beato Book, which you can purchase as a pdf from Rick Beato's web site. Rick Beato also has a regular YouTube presence that he calls All Things Music. A good portion of the "things" he covers includes numerous topics on music theory. How accessible he might be for a beginner, I am not wholly certain. Nevertheless, with him you can at least begin with some very informative and free YouTube vids. Rick also frequently tackles issues in Jazz, Rock or Classical.