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    Posted: June 14 2018 at 07:30
Hey just wanted to make sort of a sister thread with this instrument I have a special interest in. But I dont know any bassoon using prog bands except from Henry Cow and Thinking Plague? probably other chamber prog bands i guess xD...


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nogbad_The_Bad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2018 at 07:48
Oh my god, go and get Univers Zero immediately, top bassoon bands:-

Henry Cow
Univers Zero
Von Zamla
Ut Gret
Knifeworld
Gryphon
Arteria
Nazca
Rational Diet
Jack O The Clock
Moulettes

Frankly I find your lack of bassoon disturbing.


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Bassoons? No. Baboons. Yes.
Still waiting for this guy to release an album.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Argo2112 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2018 at 08:33
Pretty sure The Song of Scheherazade by Renaissance has a bassoon solo in it. 
At least on the Live at Carnegie Hall version. ( Not sure about the studio version. )
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2018 at 08:39
Not disturbing at all: North Sea Radio Orchestra. I a Moon and Dronne are both worth checking out.
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Has the sousaphone been shunned by prog?
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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Has the sousaphone been shunned by prog?

Not as much as the shawm, that's for sure. I find five entries in PA's discography for the sousaphone and none for the shawm.

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Me, I wanna hear more contrabass sarrusophone.
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I think Gryphon used the bassoon quite a lot.
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Shunning any instrument is the antithesis of prog! Cool
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

I think Gryphon used the bassoon quite a lot.

It was Brian Gulland's main instrument. Brilliant band.

I'm pretty sure a bassoon was used on Friendship, from the Snow Goose album by Camel. The Old Grey Whistle Test live session shows a musician playing one.
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Sarrusophone. Always wanted to try one. And a Jazzophone. And a double belled euphonium.

Incidentally, the only instrument I've not been able to get a note out of is a didgeridoo. Bulgarian bagpipes ? No problem. Didgeridoo ? No chance. I think I got a faulty one. ;-) I was cyclic breathing as well. Felt slightly cheated. ;-)

You can now get spiralled up travel didgeridoos. Why you'd want to travel with one is anyone's guess. 

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Spiral didgeridoo thus. Loads of different models out there, about $130 for a bit of steam bent wood. Mic it up, reverb and delay pedals, be the first on your block etc etc. 

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PS Back on topic. 

Cheap bassoon, $1000.
Expensive bassoon, $10,000 (Puchner et al)

You generally have to make your own reeds. 

This might explain a few things about why you don't hear much prog bassoon. Also, there are hundreds of variant fingerings for a bassoon. 

Also, it's a very dull orchestral instrument and people rarely cross over from orchestral to other music forms.

If we're doing a formula "Is the (insert instrument name) shunned from prog" post then can I suggest an alp horn next ? 
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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Sarrusophone. Always wanted to try one. And a Jazzophone. And a double belled euphonium.
If Frank Zappa is to be believed the sarrusophone is a bit of a b*****d to play.

Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Incidentally, the only instrument I've not been able to get a note out of is a didgeridoo. Bulgarian bagpipes ? No problem. Didgeridoo ? No chance. I think I got a faulty one. ;-) I was cyclic breathing as well. Felt slightly cheated. ;-)

You can now get spiralled up travel didgeridoos. Why you'd want to travel with one is anyone's guess. 
Well when I hear someone playing didgeridoo I'm usually seized by a strong desire to shove it up his arse. With a spiral version this would be more difficult, so it could be a measure of self-protection.

I'm not sure why I hate the didgeridoo so much but it may have something to do with the fact that in the early nineties I lived in a flat above a smelly hippy who practised on his at all hours. And he was f**king hopeless, even by the standards of stoned hippy student w**ker didgeridoo players.


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The new CHEER-ACCIDENT album "Fades" even singles out bassoon in the press release:

"Counted among the ranks of “Fades” best-in-class musicians are Katherine Young (“Bassoon colossus!” - The Wire), Julie Pomerleau (Bobby Conn) and engineer Todd Rittmann (Dead Rider, U.S. Maple) whose immaculate, nuanced production serves as the great unifier of Cheer-Accident’s most expansive, ambitious album to date."

Link to the album on Bandcamp:



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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Has the sousaphone been shunned by prog?

Not as much as the shawm, that's for sure. I find five entries in PA's discography for the sousaphone and none for the shawm.


Although not prog but is prog-related with Fairport Convention, but not as a solo artist, Richard Thompson has had Phillip Pickett on some recordings playing the shawm. Notably off his 1988 Amnesia album is the track Don't Tempt Me with Tony Levin also on stick. Fantastic track here it is below....with a combined Phillip Pickett shawm and Tony Levin stick break at 2.06. Brilliant!


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^Nice track Smile Too bad the vid is not available here in +31, but I found it on Spotify.
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Sarrusophone. Always wanted to try one. And a Jazzophone. And a double belled euphonium.
If Frank Zappa is to be believed the sarrusophone is a bit of a b*****d to play.

Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Incidentally, the only instrument I've not been able to get a note out of is a didgeridoo. Bulgarian bagpipes ? No problem. Didgeridoo ? No chance. I think I got a faulty one. ;-) I was cyclic breathing as well. Felt slightly cheated. ;-)

You can now get spiralled up travel didgeridoos. Why you'd want to travel with one is anyone's guess. 
Well when I hear someone playing didgeridoo I'm usually seized by a strong desire to shove it up his arse. With a spiral version this would be more difficult, so it could be a measure of self-protection.

I'm not sure why I hate the didgeridoo so much but it may have something to do with the fact that in the early nineties I lived in a flat above a smelly hippy who practised on his at all hours. And he was f**king hopeless, even by the standards of stoned hippy student w**ker didgeridoo players.


Oh, definitely. If it looks vaguely like something from the gastro-intestinal tract, that's surely the natural home for it. 

I used to work with some idiot whose family clubbed together and got his gormless son a bassoon, very expensive one. I'd like to think they were all giving him some form of hint that they didn't like him very much.

Apparently he took it into school where some cruel, cruel boys sort of mistook it for a urinal. Deliberately. ;-)

The theory behind buying him a bassoon was that there were very few orchestral bassoon players, so he'd never be out of work: if an orchestral piece required a bassoon, he was the first person you'd think of. Faultless logic, really, but really the logic of despair. 

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Maybe Peter Gabriel could utilize the vuvuzela in a future live version of Biko..


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