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Cord Change
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I didn't mean to criticize, I did feel like he was trying to refute my opinion and that is what I was addressing. Maybe I was a little harsh. Really it’s up to the individual whether they think it’s rude, obviously you mostly likely think it’s rude because you disagree with me and/or you don’t like my spelling. To be honest I read my whole post and have no idea what you’re talking about. Thanks for your input though and much wisdom you bestowed on this topic; people have different opinions... you don’t say?
I’m fine with all of that, I have nothing against people thinking of drugs in a “religious” sense, especially when it involves a bunch of eccentric groupies. The origins of Christianity are rife with extreme use of amanita muscaria. I don't have much of a problem with any opinions in this topic, i just wanted to discuss the scientific side of why you get that enlightened feeling. Religion as we know it now is a institution and very much discriminates against drug use. Edited by Cord Change - July 18 2018 at 06:48 |
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moshkito
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This, might be better stated if saying that this particular religion did its best to make sure they were not doing ANYTHING that other religions allowed and did. I'm pretty sure that Sumerian religions and other similar feudal systems at that time, were highly dependent on many substances, which some mystics would suggest interfere with the experiences, and while I tend to agree, I have seen times and people when the ingesting experience has been a liberating force, by allowing the person to see something within themselves that they had not seen before, and it affects their inner change. This goes, very well, BTW, with the Christian/Catholic themes that drugs, sex, rock'n'roll and other deviant behaviors are not acceptable ... so you can not experience the type of events that created the very things that they are describing on their book. However, I will state right away, that none of these are really required to prove that an inner experience can happen, but it does make it way easier for them to happen, when your mind is on vacation, and your ideas are not "in control". It's almost hilarious to see some of these subtleties in history ... one would think that Spike Milligan, or John Cleese and company were the ones that wrote it.
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Earth and Fire (Atlantis) and Julian's Treatment (A Time Before This) were transcending experiences. Tschaikowski (1812) was my first classical LP, György Ligeti (Atmospheres) and Edvard Grieg (Peer Gynt) along with Jean Sibelius (Finlandia) touched me deeply. But probably Pink Floyd, Man and Renaissance brought the longest-lasting and re-occurring satisfaction.
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Just done the survey. Unfortunately I'm atheist and I don't have many spiritual experiences. As many pointed out, Pink Floyd is one of the best bands in creating mental landscapes (up to AHM), but I 've had my last "flashes" with some of the Senmuth albums, Xing Sa and the excellent Pangea Proxima by Unit Weil.
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As a musician for 45 years of my life, In my humble opinion those 'higher-level' experiences you are seeking cannot come from the rehearsed execution of notes and space. Reaching levels like that are extemporaneous to the players and are moments in time that are unplanned and unpredictable. If you want this firsthand as a listener, forget bands that play songs like Yes or Rush and go check out players in a club like The Iridium in NYC. A few years back I caught Mike Clark, James Genus and Dave Stryker playing. Lenny White, Gregg Potter, Carmine Appice were all there with me in the audience too. Why? Because that's ground zero for an environment of lift off into the stratosphere. That night came close a couple times on some of the extended solos. But, nothing like seeing Zappa in 1981 at The Palladium with Vai, Wackerman, Mann, Mars, Thunes and Ray White. That band was so tight and when Zappa strapped on the guitar for an extended solo in The Torture Never Stops...he visited the galaxy Andromeda.
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BillieJane
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Yes.. this sounds interesting! But the capacity of prog rock to go "off on one", even if "this is the bit where we go off on one" (repeated/ritual?) is still valid and "higher", surely?
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BillieJane
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Just a quick note to say - progarchives members have MADE my month (so far)! The survey has been so enriched by your participation and answers. I will be closing the survey early on Wednesday (1st August) so any last minute participants would be very welcome now!
Thank you so much, everyone.
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lazland
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A late entry. Good luck with this
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Glad to help, good luck.
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Ian
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moshkito
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It's the point of doing a "raga" ... you start out on easy details and then progress to a point where the details are not the issue and you are flying around ... now, the definition of "spiritual" comes into play, since we have not stipulated if it had direct religious connections or not, but in most cases, for me, the "trips" in the rock music and jazz, were not "religious", but separating those experiences one from the other, would be like carving a body in two ... it's the same person! It's the same mind ... and the criteria for separating it is just a mental exercise for us to entertain ourselves, and not define the real thing. The real experience. A personal experience that IS NOT suggested by those playing, or reading, or performing, for example, otherwise it's just another evening of New Age bruhaha ... complete with women that were not hippies but dress like a rich one now and think they are liberated! AND the usual joint, of course!
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