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Saperlipopette!
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Cosmiclawnmower
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I agree, that's the one which bugs me the most.. The 2 lps ive seen held up in the UK music press as examples were- Bo Hanson's music inspired by lord of the rings and Uriah heep's Demons and Wizards.. I personally don't consider the second example as a very progressive lp (its ok in small doses) and the first is only waved about because it has 'lord of the rings' in the title! |
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The Dark Elf
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Prog rock popularity ended in 1973. Yes released Tales From Topographic Oceans, Tull released A Passion Play, ELP released Brain Salad Surgery, Peter Gabriel put on a fox mask....
And the critics wailed in one great exclamation, "WTF?" Then they sniffed the air and grunted imperially, "Too many notes".... And started looking for punk albums to review.
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ForestFriend
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I totally agree with this. I also dislike the "It has Mellotron in it, therefore it's just a repeat of 70's prog" sort of attitude. I don't really think the 70's prog sound has been fully explored anyways, so what's wrong with a few more bands making that kind of music? |
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Banzai - Hora Nata is the closest I think. There's wizards, dragons, rainbows and Aeneas in the album's epic track (I'm talking of course about the Three Magicians suite). Edited by Hrychu - July 12 2018 at 18:27 |
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Thanks, this may be worth exploring a bit! Perhaps it started with Uriah Heep's "Demons & Wizards?" Prog-related, but prog critics wouldn't necessarily be savvy enough to notice nor care. Genesis never wrote about dragons, fairies etc., but Gabriel's lyrics did touch upon English motifs (kings, queens, knights etc.) that populate fantasy literature. "Time Table" comes to mind. The only band I can think of that made an art-form of writing about LOTR was Glass Hammer, although they do branch out into other topics as well. Other thoughts? |
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Dogma? No,
this is not a dogma. A dogma is ‘omnis cellula e cellula’ in molecular biology.
In prog music, a dogma could be something like ‘prog music is complex’. ‘It's
not Genesis without Peter Gabriel’ is rather a common truth. (Or a fabrication,
a canard if you like, it's more or less the same.) Most of statements of this sort are easily trusted, many
of them are considered notoriously indisputable, and almost all are totally wrong. Moreover,
their falsehood can be easily revealed and demonstrated, but nobody bothers to
waste time for that. Lappri, lappri. It’s easier to repeat once again that
Genesis without Gabriel is not Genesis (or Ritchie Blackmore is the author of
most tracks by Deep Purple and Rainbow, or Lavrentiy Beria is the main Stalin’s
executioner etc) than study the question and find the truth. Long live
stagnancy!
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progaardvark
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The "Just for Fun" section is full of disgusting misfits posting videos of themselves mimicking Tony Banks' keyboard solos with their own farts.
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The Dark Elf
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In the strictest sense of the word, "dogma" is as you claim; however, the word itself has more than one finite definition, as do many words in the English language. For instance, a simple Google search on the Merriam-Webster dictionary site gives the following sub-definitions of "dogma": 1a : something held as an established opinion; especially : a definite authoritative tenet b : a code of such tenets
c : a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds Therefore, in reference to subsection C, the original poster is entirely within his grounds to use "dogma" in the sense that he has, "a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds." Edited by The Dark Elf - July 13 2018 at 05:16 |
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ExittheLemming
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^ beats me where the cliche originates from that Prog fans are bookish loner pedants etc. Is there a hyphen in anal retentive?
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The Dark Elf
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Hey, get off my lawn! I have another several chapters of Dunsany's Time and the Gods to read before I feed my cats!
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ExittheLemming
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I had to look up Lord Dunsany - so at least I learned summat (but proto Tolkien?)
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Quoted a lot by H P Lovecraft, incidentally.
Who was probably not into prog rock. |
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ExittheLemming
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^ but may have inspired some proto Prog shenanigans: any dungeons, dragons, wizards or short middle earthlings in Lovecraft's oeuvre? (I think the late Mark E Smith of the Fall was a fan)
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Alas no, mainly things with tentacles. ;-)))))
I seem to recall he mentioned Dunsany a lot - definitely in "The Cats of Ulthar". He also had a big thing for Gustav Dore, a French illustrator / engraver. Read the complete works as a kid, probably explains a lot. ;-))) |
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there have to be keyboards in prog
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Edited by BaldJean - July 13 2018 at 09:47 |
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Ok let me quantify my last statement just a bit. Not all progressive rock has to progress, this is true. There is nothing wrong with bands exploring prog genres that were popular in the past, in fact, I totally embrace that. There is always something more to explore, but there is also nothing wrong with a band expanding prog into new ideas and growing it in new ways, and there are plenty of bands out there doing this too, we should give them a chance before discounting everything. There are also other new bands that I would consider forms of prog rock that aren't on this site yet, but I keep watching for them, but I digress. I think that pretty much sums it up. Carry on everyone!
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Manuel
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I think you make a good point here. I don't know if we could consider it a dogma, but many prog fans complain about the new bands emulating (Cloning is the most common term used) the bands from the "golden Era" of prog, and at the same time complain that the older bands changed their music to something else and went in a different direction, which at least to me is quite out of line. If music (or anything else for that matter) is to grow, it most adapt and change to remain fresh and appealing to the newer generations.
Edited by Manuel - July 13 2018 at 14:33 |
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I visited Dunsany castle in County Meath (or Westmeath?) in Eire in the 1980s and it is an immense, gothic Demense with one of the biggest 'famine walls' in Ireland; there are Human skulls built into the walls of the chapel (which appeared in 'Robin hood-prince of theives'.. I think) and very gothic structures with deer skulls on top in the garden and a hall of original Aubrey Beardsley sketches.. it was exactly as you'd expect; partly abandoned, overgrown, decrepit and very very eerie and spooky.
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