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    Posted: August 23 2018 at 03:56
Sorry if the topic has already been discussed, I haven't seen it on the forum.
I'm quite surprised Avenged Sevenfold are not on PA, even in the prog-related category.

The band has successfully achieved a coherent mixture of traditional and modern metal, including elements of other genres (symphonic, music-hall...).

To me, they're much more innovative than most of the "so-called" prog metal bands. Furthermore, there are already side-projects from A.S. members on PA.




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Ill be honest that I took this as another uninteresting metal band that plays on the radio, but the first track especially had some great moments. Still I'm sure this band has been submitted before, and a new evaluation request will need be based on a new album (and a lot of argumentation/discussion given the background of the band)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aapatsos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2018 at 14:59
I would be surprised if they got added given their history but it seems they have not been evaluated (strangely enough)

The first track is interesting but we would need a full album to evaluate as scattered "innovative" modern metal samples won't do the trick.

Can you suggest an album for us for starters? Thanks 
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After enduring their cliched metal sound for many years as my teenage son blasted out their albums in the next room (forcing me to put on headphones for my more subtle prog!) and ferrying him and my daughter to a concert at the Metro Arena, Newcastle a couple of years ago - I actually listened to 'The Stage' soon after and thought - actually, that is not too bad - very Dream Theater/Iron Maiden in places and quite listenable.

Maybe it needs more than one album's output before they move into the Prog Metal genre - but their next release might say more about them. Just a thought. Maybe put them on a 'watch' list?

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Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Can you suggest an album for us for starters? Thanks 


The self-titled and their last one, "The Stage".
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Originally posted by Squonk19 Squonk19 wrote:

I actually listened to 'The Stage' soon after and thought - actually, that is not too bad - very Dream Theater/Iron Maiden in places and quite listenable.

Maybe it needs more than one album's output before they move into the Prog Metal genre - but their next release might say more about them. Just a thought. Maybe put them on a 'watch' list?

Sums up my thoughts, not there yet but surprisingly different to what I was expecting. I am waiting for some team feedback on this
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I don't know much about that band except that they have the alternative/hard rock tag from their past releases. The new album is supposed to be their most ambitious album. I took the time to listen to most of this album. I think they still have their past influence but maybe with more prog tendencies. The songs are well crafted, definitely some good metal music, but I'm on the fence to decide if it's prog or not. I am going to listen again the whole thing soon.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Modrigue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2018 at 01:13
I also recommend to listen to their 2007 self-titled album.

They've not tried innovative mixtures only recently ;-)
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Nightmare is a very good album and prog-metal related having Mike Portnoy on drums on all songs. Save Me is the song with the most prog-metal tendencies

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Smurph Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2018 at 20:19
Unfortunately the side project from the Rev was always better than the main band imo, even if they just released one demo.

That little piece of heaven song is interesting, though I think the mixing of cabaret style into rock or metal context a la dresden dolls doesn't really necessitate an add on this site.

I'm not sure I would consider their new album proggier than the proggiest Maiden stuff and while Iron Maiden is on the site, Maiden has influenced many prog/progmetal bands. (also, I tried my best to like it but I found myself cringing a ton - I might not be a good person to talk to about this.)

I would honestly wait 1 more album and see which direction they head before thinking about inclusion, but I'm not on any prog teams so it isn't up to me!


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Originally posted by Squonk19 Squonk19 wrote:

After enduring their cliched metal sound for many years as my teenage son blasted out their albums in the next room (forcing me to put on headphones for my more subtle prog!) and ferrying him and my daughter to a concert at the Metro Arena, Newcastle a couple of years ago - I actually listened to 'The Stage' soon after and thought - actually, that is not too bad - very Dream Theater/Iron Maiden in places and quite listenable.

Maybe it needs more than one album's output before they move into the Prog Metal genre - but their next release might say more about them. Just a thought. Maybe put them on a 'watch' list?


I think the watch list is the best way to go about this. I know the criteria is that a band has to have at least one "entirely prog" album to make it to the list (and I do consider The Stage a prog metal album), but Avenged Sevenfold is a tougher one to consider when given their musical history. Also, the fact that it's not always advisable to be overzealous about calling a group prog just based on a new album that happens to be more progressive, as we don't know if their career trajectory will continue to reflect this shift. With that said, however, if a poll were to be created, I'd be happy to vote "yes" for the band to be included. As I stated, I do see The Stage as a legit prog effort, and past albums such as Waking the Fallen and City of Evil had quite a few prog touches - such as nonlinear song structures, classical/orchestral elements, superb musicianship, etc. So I guess we'll see what happens. :)


Edited by Necrotica - November 26 2018 at 12:40
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So it looks like the next album is set to come out in the first half of 2022. I'm quite curious to see if it continues the prog metal direction of The Stage; if it does, we might potentially have a Katatonia-type situation on our hands Wink
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

So it looks like the next album is set to come out in the first half of 2022.

Welp, looks like that didn't end up happening Ouch
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

So it looks like the next album is set to come out in the first half of 2022.

Welp, looks like that didn't end up happening Ouch


I mean there are still another 7 days left in Q2 of 2022... who knows, maybe it'll be another spontaneous drop like their last release on June 30th Wink

We should still wait for the next album drop to review them. I would definitely like to see them in "prog related"
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

So it looks like the next album is set to come out in the first half of 2022.


Welp, looks like that didn't end up happening Ouch


Well mixing will be done in August. They say at this point it will be late 2022 or early 2023.

https://loudwire.com/avenged-sevenfold-updated-timeline-2022-2023-release-new-album/

Not a fan of Andy Wallace. I do not like how tinny and muffled his mixes sound, although I do appreciate his attempt at allowing for high dynamic range. He still beats Jens Bogren for sure, so there's that at least.

It sounds like this will be very avant-garde, although I'm unsure Matthew's voice will suit the 78-piece orchestra very well. Maybe unless they do something like A Little Piece of Heaven, but considering their more mature style now, that doesn't seem plausible either. However, I can see how an orchestra may fit into something like Sunny Disposition, which sounds like the direction they're heading. Definitely interested to see where they go...

Edited by bardberic - July 09 2022 at 15:19
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