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katatonia
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Posted: November 07 2018 at 22:29 |
the first time I heard of Herbie Mann was a cd in hands of my flutist classmate,she was working with my teacher. my teacher has a band and wanted her to play flute for his album with the inspiration of Mann's style. I saw that hairy album cover and it really got me...
I was listening to herbie mann and was thinking why he's not in this home of prog. he's mostly mentioned as soul/jazz but he has beautiful prog stuff,the beautiful and soulful flow of melodies. I'm gonna share some stuff here am sure many music geeks here know this guy, but for those who are about to know,enjoy the journey :) |
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Logan
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Push Push has one of the most iconic album covers of all time, at least in worst-of lists. ;)
If you think that album cover's something, perhaps check out Sean Connery in Zardoz (and a dog). Think I informally discussed the possibility of Herbie Mann with the Jazz-Rock Fusion team at one time years ago, and they weren't too keen. Irregardless of whether Herbie Mann is considered, I really love Stone Flute. Edited by Logan - November 07 2018 at 22:39 |
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that picture was awesome
and I'm enjoying the hell of the music you shared I hope they reconsider him and let us have this beauty in here |
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Saperlipopette!
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Yes Herbie was a good looking hunk for sure. Big fan and actually been thinking of suggesting him over the years. Plenty of "Jazz-flute" guys such as Mann and Jeremy Steig has at least a handful of jazzrock-fusion albums in their discography.
Imo, these are the albums with a Progarchives-relevance - sometimes about a 100% and others maybe half the material. All from very good to fantastic: Impressions of the Middle East (1967) The Wailing Dervishes (1967) Windows Opened (1968) Live at the Whisky A Go Go (1969) Concerto Grosso in D Blues (1969) Memphis Underground (1969) Stone Flute (1970) Hold On, I'm Comin' (1973) Muscle Shoals Nitty Gritty (1970) Much like Chico Hamilton he's got some distinct fusion-tunes quite early on not given credit for (check out the former Man Form Two Worlds/Lady Gabor both 1963 featuring Gabor Szabo on guitar - and tell that's not jazzfusion). Back to Mann I'd also warmly recommend his trio of Village Gate-album 1962, 1963 & 1966. Fantasic playing with great line-ups. Not "prog" but lots of progressive middle eastern-inspired & afrocarribbean/latin jams. Good thing is that Herbie ruined his reputation with an armada of disco/funk & smooth jazz later on (the Push Push-coverart didn't help either) so you'll get most of these dead cheap on vinyl. Stone Flute is an all-time fav. but lately this (the whole album) has been given the most spins. Just wait for that rockin' oud-solo: |
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Sean Trane
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I thought at first that it was Burt Reynolds (both on the album and in movie picture) Indeed, I don't think it would be wise to include HM... I mean, we could easily include all of jazz simply on the account of their early 70's albums... If we were to do that, I'd lobby in McCoy Tyner, who's got at least 8 or11 albums (almost every one between Expansions (69) until Horizon (79) and possibly until 82 with Looking Out) until that could fit in the JR/F mould. |
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I love Herbie and have some 5 (maybe 6?) albums of his. Not sure whether he fits on PA though as I’ve always thought of him as a jazz musician....but sure Stone Flute and a couple of other albums feels like fusion.
And yes that cover art is hilarious in such a wrong way....so bad it’s actually cool. Edited by Guldbamsen - November 08 2018 at 05:10 |
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He doesn't really fit here IMO. But I have put him forward for inclusion on Raw Sex Archive and am optimistic about his prospects.
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Herbie Mann as prog rock musician would definitely be a first in the world of musicology.
As Hughes already pointed out, every jazz musician in the world cut a couple fusion albums in the early 70s. You can't blame a working musician for following the money, and that was where the money was at in those days. Here are some more jazz musicians who cut a couple fusion records; Donald Byrd, Freddie Hubbard, Ahmad Jamal, Les McCann, Pharoh Sanders, McCoy Tyner, Carlos Garnett, Elvin Jones, John Schofield, Don Cherry, Stanley Cowell, Gil Evans, Wadada Leo Smith, Harry Beckett, Gary Burton, Charles Lloyd, Harold Land, Joe Farrell, Ernie Watts, Jim Hall, Bobbi Humphreys, Phil Woods, Cannonball Adderly, Kenny Barron, Darius Brubeck, and there is more. Edited by Easy Money - November 08 2018 at 20:12 |
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^yep and loads and loads more. Still the majority of them are just as relevant for PA as Wayne Shorter and Julian Priester - who are both included in the archives. But I don't really care if they're here or not - and I imagine the artists themselves are quite indifferent
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katatonia
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with this logic then why can't we add Funkadelic here?sure they have a couple of records which happen to crossover with progressive music.
and the things is why don't we cast all these guys as prog related? or proto-prog in that matter,since that movement led to jazz/rock fusion later |
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Isn't it the policy of the site to include artists even if they have one or two albums? Personally i think all these artists need to stay on JMA. It's just a click away to the jazz zone whre they are already added. Maybe an honorable mention somewher explaining that no one wants to add their behemoth discographies
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yea
for me it's very soothing when I find an album here,see the ratings and reviews by guys and then give it a listen. it has such a pleasure . I don't see good ratings and reviews in JMA for many of prog-related or proto-prog jazz musicians |
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