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    Posted: December 21 2018 at 07:36
Shawn Phillips music is very complex (Contribution, Second Contribution are wonderful).

I think you could consider inserting Shawn Phillips into
one of the following genres: Proto-Prog, 
Prog-related, Prog-folk.

PS I have watched the artists of these three categories.

I think the best genre for Phillips is prog-related.

What do you think?


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I'm a big fan.. "Breakthrough", "I Took A Woman", "Woman", and the 16-minute, "I Don't Want To Leave You, I Just Came To Say Goodbye"
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

I'm a big fan.. "Breakthrough", "I Took A Woman", "Woman", and the 16-minute, "I Don't Want To Leave You, I Just Came To Say Goodbye"

Great musician.

Second Contribution is an absolute masterpiece.
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From here: https://www.allmusic.com/artist/shawn-phillips-mn0000016617/biography

Shawn Phillips is one of most fascinating and enigmatic musicians to come out of the early-'70s singer/songwriter boom. The mere fact that he is a virtuoso musician as much as a singer and songwriter allowed him to stand out and attract a dedicated following. His refusal to pigeonhole his music -- which seamlessly melds folk, rock, jazz, funk, progressive, pop, electro, classical, and global folk traditions -- to meet anyone else's expectations allowed him to retain his cult following without ever achieving the stardom that his talent seemed to merit. Though Phillips began recording for Columbia in the mid-'60s (and worked on Donovan's records from the period), it was his virtually unclassifiable run of ten '70s LPs for A&M -- including Contribution,Second ContributionFacesBright White, and Spaced -- that established his reputation for boundless, nearly peerless creativity and virtuosity. Phillips was a musical shapeshifter. His work as a virtuoso 12-string guitarist combined with his four-octave vocal range fascinated and confounded some critics, but resonated with listeners. Phillips has always been able to get exactly what he needed from virtually any instrument he played and from his recordings and on-stage collaborators. After relocating to Italy and lying low during most of the '80s and '90s -- he toured, wrote, and worked with musicians outside his native United States before transplanting to post-Apartheid South Africa, he resumed recording in earnest during the middle of the 21st century's first decade, sounding as if he had never left.

Phillips was born in 1943 in Fort Worth, Texas, the son of best-selling spy novelist Philip Atlee, who moved the family around the world at various times, including to the South Pacific. After hearing "Malaguena" on the piano, he took up the guitar at age seven, and by the time he was 12, he was playing the chords to Carl Perkins songs. Phillips' musical experience transcended rock & roll, however. In the course of his family's travels, he got to live in almost every corner of the globe, including Tahiti, and absorbed the music that surrounded him wherever he was living. He returned to Texas in his teens, with some training in classical music but a love for performers like Jimmy Reedand Ike & Tina Turner, among other blues and R&B artists. He did a hitch in the Navy, and then went back to Texas before retreating to California, where he played around the early-'60s folk circuit.

Im a Loner
Phillips made his first record, an over-produced single ofBob Gibson's version of "Frankie and Johnnie," for Columbia, which he followed with two albums, I'm a Loner and Shawn, neither of which was successful. Phillips went to England, where he performed and wrote songs with Donovan, in a professional relationship somewhat clouded in controversy. (Phillips claimed in interviews during the '70s that he co-wrote "Season of the Witch," as well as a major portion of the songs that finally surfaced on the album Sunshine Superman, but only ever received one co-author credit for "Little Tin Soldier" on the Fairytale album.) While staying in England, the range of his work vastly expanded, partly with the help of various controlled substances.

He was ejected from England for playing without a work permit and tried living in Paris before he headed for Italy. He settled in Positano, a tiny fishing village. By the late '60s, Phillips' musical expertise had broadened to include not only different kinds of guitars, but also the Indian sitar. After a few years of trying, he recognized that he'd started too late and would never master the sitar in the traditional manner, and instead began learning to make his own music on the instrument.

In 1968, he went to London with the idea for a trilogy of albums and recorded a major portion of it in collaboration with Traffic members Steve WinwoodChris Wood, and Jim Capaldi. No record company was willing to commit to such an ambitious body of work by an unknown artist, and the material languished for more than two years until Phillips came to A&M Records. Producer Jonathon Weston listened to his work and decided to try and release an edited version of the music.

This became his A&M debut album Contribution, which ranged freely between uptempo folk-rock ("Man Hole Covered Wagon") to introspective quasi-classical guitar pieces ("L Ballade") and works mixing sitar and acoustic guitar ("Withered Roses"). The album got positive reviews, but it was whenPhillips embarked on his first U.S. tour, in conjunction with his next album, Second Contribution, late in 1971, that he was discovered by the press. Critics in the New York Times and other publications displayed unbridled awe at Phillips' prowess on a range of instruments, including electric and acoustic six- and 12-string guitars and the sitar, and his singing range, a full three octaves from baritone to counter-tenor, as well as his songwriting. He was one of the few singer/songwriters to play double-necked six- and 12-string guitars (a standard feature of progressive and metal bands) on-stage, in intimate locales such as New York's Bottom Line, and to test the full range of the hybrid instrument.

Writers lavished praise on Phillips for his unusual lyrics, haunting melodies, daunting musicianship, and the ambition of his records. He was a complete enigma, American-born but raised internationally, with a foreigner's keen appreciation for all the music of his homeland and a seasoned traveler's love of world music, with none of the usual limits on his thinking about music. He slid between jazz, folk, pop, and classical sounds -- it was nothing for Phillips to segue from a progressive-style mood song with a 50-piece orchestra into an R&B-based number driven by his electric guitar, and back again. "The Ballad of Casey Deiss," from Second Contribution, was a case in point, a song about a friend who died when he was struck by lightning, scored for acoustic guitars, electric guitars, vibraphone, and the horn section of a full orchestra, as well as multi-layered vocals.

Collaboration
A third album, Collaboration, followed, along with another tour, and then came FacesBright White, and Furthermore. His collaborator was conductor/arranger Paul Buckmaster, the man responsible for the choral accompaniment on the Rolling Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want" and several other rock-meets-classical touchstones including Elton John's first four albums. On tour, Phillips was booked into clubs with artists such as comedian Albert Brooks, singer/songwriter Wendy Waldman, and Seals & Crofts, and usually worked solo, surrounded by a half-dozen guitars, or sometimes with a single accompanist, Peter Robinson, on keyboards.

Phillips never achieved major stardom, despite his critical accolades. He never courted an obvious commercial sound, preferring to write songs that, as he put it, "make you feel different from the way you felt before you started listening," primarily love songs and sonic landscapes. But his experiments with electronic keyboards on his albums from the mid- and late '70s made him a jazz-funk pioneer as well -- though that, like many of his musical innovations, wasn't generally recognized until somewhat later.

Transcendence
He made nine albums for A&M before moving on to RCA in 1978 for Transcendence, which mixed his guitars with a 60-piece symphony orchestra and members of Herbie Hancock's band, produced in collaboration with arranger/conductor Michael Kamen. He also contributed to movie music by Manos Hadjidakis and appeared in the movie Run with the Wind. In 1983, he recorded Beyond Here Be Dragons, an ambitious set with producer Michael Hoenig, bassist Alphonso Johnson, guitarist Caleb Quaye, keyboardist J. Peter Robinson, and Ralph Humphrey on drums. It remained unreleased for five years. Chameleon issued it in 1988 to the delight of fans.

Another Contribution: An Anthology
With close to 20 albums behind him since the mid-'60s,Phillips has a following in America, Europe, and Japan, and he has performed at different world music festivals. A cult figure whose peers include Van Dyke Parks and, perhaps,Leonard Cohen (though Cohen's public profile was enhanced by his following as an established poet and author in the literary community), he remains an enigmatic figure on the music landscape. His work remained sufficiently in demand in the '90s, however, to justify a best-of compilation from A&M in 1992 that included notes by Phillips and one new song. In 1995, Polygram South Africa issued the anthology Another Contribution.

Phillips had become a fireman and emergency medical technician in Texas. In 1994 a brand-new studio date, The Truth If It Kills, produced by Michel Le Francois was issued by Imagine in Canada. In 1998, Wounded Bird re-released eight new classic albums from his catalog.

No Category
Phillips, who'd moved to South Africa in 2000 and worked as a paramedic with the National Sea Rescue Institute, claimed in interview that he was pretty much out of music completely between 1994 and 2003. Nonetheless, No Category was issued by Universal that year. It compiled new and unreleased music alongside previously issued songs. A boxed set from Gott Discs paired Contribution and Second Contribution in 2004, and his catalog titles slowly began reappearing from various labels. On June 6, 2006 the Nashville Symphony Orchestra performed the suite Disturbing Horizons: Events in the Life of a Prince comprised of nine Phillips' pieces.

At the BBC
The two-disc Living Contribution: Live at Kirstenbosch Gardens was released by South Africa's Feet Music in 2007. In 2009, Hux released the long-sought-after Live at the BBCfrom a 1973 appearance, and in 2011, 1972's Faces saw re-release. In 2013, Rumplestiltskin's Resolve (originally issued in 1976) appeared from Talking Elephant, and a year later Varese Sarabande released Infinity, a set of unreleased material from 1989. The 20-track double-discPerspective, contains songs written and recorded since the 2000s (mostly in South Africa). It was issued in 2015 by Talking Elephant and was followed by a 2016 reissue of 1978's Transcendence.
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I think the genre for Phillips is prog-related 

because
He began with the folk prog but then he played every genre (except hard/heavy)


This became his A&M debut album Contribution, which ranged freely between uptempo folk-rock ("Man Hole Covered Wagon") to introspective quasi-classical guitar pieces ("L Ballade") and works mixing sitar and acoustic guitar ("Withered Roses"). The album got positive reviews, but it was whenPhillips embarked on his first U.S. tour, in conjunction with his next album, Second Contribution, late in 1971, that he was discovered by the press. Critics in the New York Times and other publications displayed unbridled awe at Phillips' prowess on a range of instruments, including electric and acoustic six- and 12-string guitars and the sitar, and his singing range, a full three octaves from baritone to counter-tenor, as well as his songwriting. He was one of the few singer/songwriters to play double-necked six- and 12-string guitars (a standard feature of progressive and metal bands) on-stage, in intimate locales such as New York's Bottom Line, and to test the full range of the hybrid instrument.

Writers lavished praise on Phillips for his unusual lyrics, haunting melodies, daunting musicianship, and the ambition of his records. He was a complete enigma, American-born but raised internationally, with a foreigner's keen appreciation for all the music of his homeland and a seasoned traveler's love of world music, with none of the usual limits on his thinking about music. He slid between jazz, folk, pop, and classical sounds -- it was nothing for Phillips to segue from a progressive-style mood song with a 50-piece orchestra into an R&B-based number driven by his electric guitar, and back again



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Forgive my chopping in but Prog-Related suggestion should be accepted only via a Special Collaborator. We Admins will check if some SC have a contact with us about Shawn.
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Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

Forgive my chopping in but Prog-Related suggestion should be accepted only via a Special Collaborator. We Admins will check if some SC have a contact with us about Shawn.

In this case, what may I do? Should I suggest to listen SP to some special collaborator?

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Just patiently wait - I for once will give him an ear and report back here ...
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Just patiently wait - I for once will give him an ear and report back here ...

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Just my two cents, but though I liked some of his melodies and lyrics I always thought his stuff was overwrought and overproduced at times with the strings and background things.

An American version of Al Stewart.....??
Not really maybe .,..but he always felt that way to me.....

btw....apparently there was a strange connection with his Uncle (a CIA agent) to the Lee Harvey Oswald mystery...?


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I don't know a lot of his music, but I do like "The Ballad of Casey Deiss".



In such cases, I would generally suggest having Prog Folk team members look into it first, and then have them bring it to Prog Related if they think that it's best suited there (but I don;t know the artist well enough for such advice). That said, it's generally not easy getting into Prog Related as it is intended for exceptional cases and/or should fit several criteria and Prog relations. Since Shawn Phillips was a performer on Cosmic Debris' 3.7K album, which is included in the Progressive Electronic, plus he has music under his own name on he progressive folk side, that would give his case some more weight for Prog Related. Interesting to see his contributions to Donovan albums as I'm a Donovan fan.

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After some listening I can't say being totally convinced of his prog credentials, so to speak - maybe he deserves a little more attention ...
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He was very big in Montreal, one of a host of artists who were practically household names there while not well known elsewhere.  Most of those were British but Phillips was an exception, though he did have a kind of English sound to some of his work.  His material was certainly ambitious and not run of the mill, more oriented to album projects than hit single ambitions.  But then, the same could be said for Al Stewart at least until he hit it big.  He is certainly eclectic but not sure about the prog.  Yes prog related is probably a more appropriate category but there isn't a big push to add artists to PR these days, and the prog folk team is very quiet right now.  shhhh.  I will at least alert them to this discussion.
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

He was very big in Montreal, one of a host of artists who were practically household names there while not well known elsewhere.  Most of those were British but Phillips was an exception, though he did have a kind of English sound to some of his work.  His material was certainly ambitious and not run of the mill, more oriented to album projects than hit single ambitions.  But then, the same could be said for Al Stewart at least until he hit it big.  He is certainly eclectic but not sure about the prog.  Yes prog related is probably a more appropriate category but there isn't a big push to add artists to PR these days, and the prog folk team is very quiet right now.  shhhh.  I will at least alert them to this discussion.
 
That's kind of odd, because I'm totally unfamiliar with his name and a quick look into RYM for his album cover, I've never seen any of them in record shops, whether in Toronto or Montreal (with all the time I spent there, it's like as if I'd lived the equivalent of two years) , but then again, I wasn't searching for his albums in the racks.
 
OK, We'll look into PF first, but this could take a while since as I said, I'm totally unfamiliar with his stuff.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

He was very big in Montreal, one of a host of artists who were practically household names there while not well known elsewhere.  Most of those were British but Phillips was an exception, though he did have a kind of English sound to some of his work.  His material was certainly ambitious and not run of the mill, more oriented to album projects than hit single ambitions.  But then, the same could be said for Al Stewart at least until he hit it big.  He is certainly eclectic but not sure about the prog.  Yes prog related is probably a more appropriate category but there isn't a big push to add artists to PR these days, and the prog folk team is very quiet right now.  shhhh.  I will at least alert them to this discussion.
 
That's kind of odd, because I'm totally unfamiliar with his name and a quick look into RYM for his album cover, I've never seen any of them in record shops, whether in Toronto or Montreal (with all the time I spent there, it's like as if I'd lived the equivalent of two years) , but then again, I wasn't searching for his albums in the racks.
 
OK, We'll look into PF first, but this could take a while since as I said, I'm totally unfamiliar with his stuff.

I still remember in about 1974, when I was just getting into FM rock, they were advertising his "unprecedented 5th appearance", probably at Place Des Arts.  He got a LOT of airplay on CHOM-FM,  I have no idea if Toronto was as kind to him as the Quebec popularity of relatively obscure artists did not always spill over into English Canada.  

Interestingly, 5 of his albums did chart on Billboard in the mid to lower echelons of the top 100, not high but clearly he had some following, with probably similar sales in US to stable mates Strawbs, though he never charted in the UK.  Being on A&M one might have expected more commercially.  , 

This song was to me quite reminiscent of the more ornate Cat Stevens' arrangements of the day, but not sure how typical that is

 



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