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    Posted: January 30 2019 at 12:41
We all know what the 60's, 70's and even the 80's classics are, they have stood the test of time and they still feature often in our threads.
Now, as an exercise of looking back and re-assessing our judgements, I am listing the PA Top 8 Albums from 2000 until 2004. Already between 14 and 19 years have passed so it should be a fair enough time to check which ones of them are also holding up to the test of time and can become deservedly considered as True Prog Classics for the future and which ones fall short.
In total 40 albums rated as the top 8 in their respective years. Discussion about each of these albums is welcome !!! Which ones of them do you consider already as True Classics or which ones were perhaps highly rated at their time but were a bit of a hype and do not deserve such a status after 15 years of hindsight...

Year 2000:
Top #1 album: Pain of Salvation - The Perfect Element Pt. 1
2. Spock's Beard - V
3. Symphony X - V The New Mythology Suite
4. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists...
5. Kevin Gilbert - The Shaming of the True
6. Transatlantic - SMPTe
7. Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun
8. Fates Warning - Disconnected

2001:
1. Opeth - Blackwater Park
2. Tool - Lateralus
3. Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape
4. Devin Townsend - Terria
5. Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever
6. Secret Chiefs 3 - Book M
7. Maudlin of the Well - Leaving Your Body Map
8. Maudlin of the Well - Bath

2002:
1. Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
2. Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
3. Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
4. Agalloch - The Mantle
5. Echolyn - Mei
6. Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
7. Threshold - Critical Mass
8. Dredg - El Cielo

2003:
1. Riverside - Out of Myself
2. Kayo Dot - Choirs of the Eye
3. The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium
4. Arena - Contagion
5. Enslaved - Below the Lights
6. No-Man - Together We're Stranger
7. Moonsorrow - Kivenkantaja
8. Ephel Duath - The Painter's Palette

2004:
1. Magma - K.A.
2. Ayreon - The Human Equation
3. Disillusion - Back Times of Splendor
4. Enslaved - Isa
5. Angra - Temple of Shadows
6. Marillion - Marbles
7. Neal Morse - One
8. Pain of Salvation - Be


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I'd say a good number of these qualify as "classics."

(Especially A Bridge Across Forever.)
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Classics, or more correctly, my favourites are:

Secret Chiefs 3 - Book M (personal fave on the list)
Magma - K.A.
Kayo Dot - Choirs of the Eye
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists...
Maudlin of the Well - Leaving Your Body Map and Bath

Much as I like K.A., I don't think of it as a classic per se simply because classic Magma is 70s Magma, and I prefer the later E-Re (it was a great comeback album, though). The others I listed I do consider to be modern classics, which I like.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kempokid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2019 at 16:25
I feel that quite a few of these could be considered classics, especially the first 6 of 2001 (I haven't heard MOTW, so I can't judge that one), many of the albums here are either the pinnacle of a band's career or simply amazing in terms of creativity and originality. On the other hand, I personally don't feel like some, such as The Human Equation really deserve it, as while this album is initially amazing sounding, it tends to wear thin quickly. I also don't feel like Lightbulb Sun is particularly amazing, with some songs clearly showing some incredible talent in terms of composition, while others are just standard alt rock or pop tracks, which makes it really uneven.
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My opinion would surely not be a good barometer of what would constitute classics. There are only 5 albums from this list I would put more than 3 stars on.

Of those Magma-KA may be a hard sell as a 21st century classic given that material was written and performed live 30 years previous. POS - Be, will always be a classic to me, but had little appreciation outside of POS' core fans and was fairly divisive even amongst them. Remedy Lane may be less divisive among fans, but again, few outside of their base would jump on it. Deloused is probably the only one of these that I find enjoyable that would hold up to the 'classic' standard.

Among the ones I don't care about, it's going to be Tool because who doesn't love Tool? Me, that's who. Can't stand them.

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 Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists...
Tool - Lateralus
Secret Chiefs 3 - Book M
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
Magma - K.A.

I would add

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - Of Natural History
Guapo - 5 Suns



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In my humble opinion 2009 Airbag's "Identity" is a real masterpiece and a true classic, even if very few people have heard it or care about it.
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

We all know what the 60's, 70's and even the 80's classics are, they have stood the test of time and they still feature often in our threads.
Now, as an exercise of looking back and re-assessing our judgements, I am listing the PA Top 8 Albums from 2000 until 2004. Already between 14 and 19 years have passed so it should be a fair enough time to check which ones of them are also holding up to the test of time and can become deservedly considered as True Prog Classics for the future and which ones fall short.
In total 40 albums rated as the top 8 in their respective years. Discussion about each of these albums is welcome !!! Which ones of them do you consider already as True Classics or which ones were perhaps highly rated at their time but were a bit of a hype and do not deserve such a status after 15 years of hindsight...

Year 2000:
Top #1 album: Pain of Salvation - The Perfect Element Pt. 1
2. Spock's Beard - V
3. Symphony X - V The New Mythology Suite
4. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists...
5. Kevin Gilbert - The Shaming of the True
6. Transatlantic - SMPTe
7. Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun
8. Fates Warning - Disconnected
KBB - Lost and Found
Iona - Open Sky
The Gathering - If_then_else
The Flower Kings - Space Revolver

2001:
1. Opeth - Blackwater Park
2. Tool - Lateralus
3. Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape
4. Devin Townsend - Terria
5. Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever
6. Secret Chiefs 3 - Book M
7. Maudlin of the Well - Leaving Your Body Map
8. Maudlin of the Well - Bath
Bjrk - Vespertine
Karda Estra - Eve
Seven Reizh - Strinkadenn Ys

2002:
1. Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
2. Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
3. Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
4. Agalloch - The Mantle
5. Echolyn - Mei
6. Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
7. Threshold - Critical Mass
8. Dredg - El Cielo
Paatos - Timeloss
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
Sigur Rs - ( )

2003: (Not a particularly good year for prog)
1. Riverside - Out of Myself
2. Kayo Dot - Choirs of the Eye
3. The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium
4. Arena - Contagion
5. Enslaved - Below the Lights
6. No-Man - Together We're Stranger
7. Moonsorrow - Kivenkantaja
8. Ephel Duath - The Painter's Palette


2004: (A bad year for prog)
1. Magma - K.A.
2. Ayreon - The Human Equation
3. Disillusion - Back Times of Splendor
4. Enslaved - Isa
5. Angra - Temple of Shadows
6. Marillion - Marbles
7. Neal Morse - One
8. Pain of Salvation - Be
Bark Psychosis - CodeName: DustSucker
Magenta - Seven
Amarok - Quentadharken

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A classic would be an album that not only I like, or people on PA still rate highly, but that is well known and highly regarded in some wider community, and is not purely retro style but had some innovation pointing to the future to offer at its time.

The first ones that come to my mind arguably fulfilling these criteria are:
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists...
Tool - Lateralus
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
Sigur Ros - () (very surprised not to see this one in the original list)
The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium

Then I'm very aware that I don't know some albums from these years that may not only be good but also otherwise reasonably well known enough to qualify. Ermm


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Another 2009 classic: Big Big Train's The Underfall Yard".
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the only albums I classed a Gnosis 12 or above (that's above 4 stars here, BTW). during the era of 2000 uintl 2005 (incl)
 

Globalys - 03/02/01

King Crimson - Level 5

Paatos - Timeloss

Plant, Robert - Dreamland

Espers - Espers

Alamaailman Vasarat - Kaarmelautakunta

P.G. Six - The Well of Memory

Univers Zero -  Implosion

Finnegans Wake - 4th

 

I know most of those wouldn't be classis  to your eyes, though.



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Oh by the way, the obvious Radiohead classic is OK Computer from 1997, but Kid A (2000) is easily good, innovative and widely acknowledged enough to qualify here, despite being rated somewhat low by the occasionally trick-missing community of PA.
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It's hard to define for me what a Classic might be. I think the albums you've listed are really good, and could be considered classic by some, but not by all.
If 20 years from now people are still talking about them, then they will have earned the tittle for sure. 
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I am not even familiar with some from the list:

Kevin Gilbert - The Shaming of the True
Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape
Secret Chiefs 3 - Book M
Agalloch - The Mantle
Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
Dredg - El Cielo
Enslaved - Below the Lights
No-Man - Together We're Stranger
Moonsorrow - Kivenkantaja
Ephel Duath - The Painter's Palette
Disillusion - Back Times of Splendor
Enslaved - Isa
Angra - Temple of Shadows

Which ones do you recommend the most, considering that I'm not a fan of Post-Rock/Math, Post-Metal nor Tech-Extreme?







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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

the only albums I classed a Gnosis 12 or above (that's above 4 stars here, BTW). during the era of 2000 uintl 2005 (incl)
 

Alamaailman Vasarat - Kaarmelautakunta

Finnegans Wake - 4th

 

I know most of those wouldn't be classis  to your eyes, though.


I'd certainly add those to a great album list but they're not well known enough to be classics.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Oh by the way, the obvious Radiohead classic is OK Computer from 1997, but Kid A (2000) is easily good, innovative and widely acknowledged enough to qualify here, despite being rated somewhat low by the occasionally trick-missing community of PA.

I was certainly considering adding Kid A.
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Among the ones I don't care about, it's going to be Tool because who doesn't love Tool? Me, that's who. Can't stand them.
I got Lateralus at the time to see what all the rumpus was about. I've listened to it quite a few times, or more accurately tried to, as my attention wanders. I just find it dull.

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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

I got Lateralus at the time to see what all the rumpus was about. I've listened to it quite a few times, or more accurately tried to, as my attention wanders. I just find it dull.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

A classic would be an album that not only I like, or people on PA still rate highly, but that is well known and highly regarded in some wider community, and is not purely retro style but had some innovation pointing to the future to offer at its time.




 

I do think this is a good topic overall but...this I think is an issue. Is there really still a wider community for prog (in all of its subdivisions)? I mean looking over some of the lists people have posted, most of the things I'm reading I don't think would have the net casted wide enough to grab this larger 'wider community.'
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

I am not even familiar with some from the list:

Kevin Gilbert - The Shaming of the True
Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape
Secret Chiefs 3 - Book M
Agalloch - The Mantle
Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
Dredg - El Cielo
Enslaved - Below the Lights
No-Man - Together We're Stranger
Moonsorrow - Kivenkantaja
Ephel Duath - The Painter's Palette
Disillusion - Back Times of Splendor
Enslaved - Isa
Angra - Temple of Shadows

Which ones do you recommend the most, considering that I'm not a fan of Post-Rock/Math, Post-Metal nor Tech-Extreme?







 

You might be out of luck then. lol

Hmm...of this list...I guess you are left with Dredg, Gilbert, and No-Man. (I don't know Moonsorrow, Disillusion, or Angra, so perhaps one of those could fit). I personally wouldn't recommend either of those last two to anyone. Dredg's isn't bad though. 
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