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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2019 at 15:57
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

A classic would be an album that not only I like, or people on PA still rate highly, but that is well known and highly regarded in some wider community, and is not purely retro style but had some innovation pointing to the future to offer at its time.




 

I do think this is a good topic overall but...this I think is an issue. Is there really still a wider community for prog (in all of its subdivisions)? I mean looking over some of the lists people have posted, most of the things I'm reading I don't think would have the net casted wide enough to grab this larger 'wider community.'

There's certainly a wider community that appreciates certain albums that we classify as prog. Lateralus and De-Loused wouldn't appear on my list of most favourite albums but I can hear what makes them special and I know people who are far from prog-listeners who hold these albums in high esteem, and some of them have discovered other prog through them (and they won't suddenly start to think Lateralus is lame when they discover Gentle Giant). Same for the others listed by me; many who are just into good music but by no means into prog in particular know that these are great and important albums.    

For me this is really essential; a classic should be good enough that open-minded eclectic listeners without any focus on prog can and will appreciate its greatness.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2019 at 16:51
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

We all know what the 60's, 70's and even the 80's classics are, they have stood the test of time and they still feature often in our threads.
Now, as an exercise of looking back and re-assessing our judgements, I am listing the PA Top 8 Albums from 2000 until 2004. Already between 14 and 19 years have passed so it should be a fair enough time to check which ones of them are also holding up to the test of time and can become deservedly considered as True Prog Classics for the future and which ones fall short.
In total 40 albums rated as the top 8 in their respective years. Discussion about each of these albums is welcome !!! Which ones of them do you consider already as True Classics or which ones were perhaps highly rated at their time but were a bit of a hype and do not deserve such a status after 15 years of hindsight...

Year 2000:
Top #1 album: Pain of Salvation - The Perfect Element Pt. 1
2. Spock's Beard - V
3. Symphony X - V The New Mythology Suite
4. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists...
5. Kevin Gilbert - The Shaming of the True
6. Transatlantic - SMPTe
7. Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun
8. Fates Warning - Disconnected

2001:
1. Opeth - Blackwater Park
2. Tool - Lateralus
3. Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape
4. Devin Townsend - Terria
5. Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever
6. Secret Chiefs 3 - Book M
7. Maudlin of the Well - Leaving Your Body Map
8. Maudlin of the Well - Bath

2002:
1. Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
2. Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
3. Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
4. Agalloch - The Mantle
5. Echolyn - Mei
6. Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
7. Threshold - Critical Mass
8. Dredg - El Cielo

2003:
1. Riverside - Out of Myself
2. Kayo Dot - Choirs of the Eye
3. The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium
4. Arena - Contagion
5. Enslaved - Below the Lights
6. No-Man - Together We're Stranger
7. Moonsorrow - Kivenkantaja
8. Ephel Duath - The Painter's Palette

2004:
1. Magma - K.A.
2. Ayreon - The Human Equation
3. Disillusion - Back Times of Splendor
4. Enslaved - Isa
5. Angra - Temple of Shadows
6. Marillion - Marbles
7. Neal Morse - One
8. Pain of Salvation - Be



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Ayreon - The Human Equation

This is the one I have enjoyed more between the 40 listed.  Of course there's a lot of good stuff in the list, but this one is special.
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I can’t remember everything, but all of these has had the lasting qualities that defines a minor or major classic for me personally. I’ve been raving about loads of other albums throughout the years that that won’t be revisited anytime soon. And sorry to all my comeback heroes in Magma, Swans, Univers Zero, Present, VdGG, Zanov etc… You all did a very good job but I’m afraid ended up going back to your «original» classics. It’s not you it’s me.

Radiohead - Kid A (00) & Amnesiac (01)
Tortoise - Standards (01)
Guapo - Five Suns (04) Black Oni (05) & Elixirs (08)
Non Credo - Impropera (06)
Kayo Dot - Blue Lambency Downward (08)
Secret Chiefs - Book M (01) & Book of Horizons (04)
Dungen - 4 (08)
Jono El Grande - Neo Dada (09)
Vektor - Black Future (09) & Terminal Redux (16)
Woven Hand - Consider The Birds (04) & Mosaic (06)
Aranis - St (05) & II (07)
GY!BE - Yanqui U.X.O. (02)
Elephant9 - Dodovoodoo (08) & Walk the Nile (10)
Kosmischer Läufer - Volume One (13) & Volume Three (15)
Umberto - From The Grave (09) & Prophecy of the Black Widow (10)
The Ilk - The New Dark Age (14)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2019 at 04:25
If it weren't for my own demand of a wider appeal to general music fans, if it was only about what I'd call a "personal classic", Art Zoyd - Metropolis would certainly belong here. After so many years I finally see it right up there with Haxan, Berlin and Generation sans Futur through to Phase IV.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Oganesson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2019 at 08:56
Is it still too soon to consider Wobbler's From Silence to Somewhere a classic? Even though it's stayed at 16th place on the PA top chart, over a year after its release... or is it too similar to the '70s classics to be considered a classic in its own right?

Anyway, I think I'll consider Fear of a Blank Planet a 21st-century classic. Not only does it have good musicianship, it does also touch on many issues that much of us faced in the 2000s...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote I prophesy disaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2019 at 13:59
My favourite 21st century album is probably Part the Second (maudlin of the Well). There's something magical about that album that I can't quite put my finger on.
 
 
 
 
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2000
Kansas - Somewhere to Elsewhere
Fates Warning - Disconnected
Transatlantic - SMPTe
Spiral Architect - A Sceptic's Universe
Aghora - Aghora 
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists to Heaven Like Antennas

2001
Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever
Ice Age - Liberation
Ark - Burn the Sun
Tool - Lateralus

2002
Echolyn - Mei
Spock's Beard - Snow

2003
Lord Only - Fear and Trembling (too obscure to ever be a classic, but it deserves to be)

2004
IQ - Dark Matter 
Fates Warning - FWX
Wicked Minds - From the Purple Skies

2005
Dream Theater - Octavarium
Riverside - Second Life Syndrome

2006
The Tangent - A Place in the Queue
Edenbridge - The Grand Design

2007
Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos
Riverside - Rapid Eye Movement

2008
Cynic - Traced in Air

2009
Dream Theater - Black Clouds and Silver Linings

2010
Haken - Aquarius

2011
Dream Theater - A Dramatic Turn of Events
Haken - Visions

2012 (A GREAT year!!!)
Asia - XXX (by far their best, including their debut)
Rush - Clockwork Angels
Flying Colors - Flying Colors
Ian Anderson - TAAB 2
Spectrum Road - Spectrum Road
Kotebel - Concerto for Piano and Electric Ensemble

2013 
Haken - The Mountain
Fates Warning - Darkness in a Different Light

2014
Transatlantic - Kaleidoscope

2015

2016
Haken - Affinity
Fates Warning - Theories of Flight
Animals as Leaders - The Madness of Many
Anderson/Stolt - Invention of Knowledge

2017 (Another great year!!!)
Lifesigns - Cardington
Agusa - Agusa
Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere
The Tangent - The Slow Rust of Forgotten Machinery

2018
Spock's Beard - Noise Floor
Haken - Vector
Phideaux - Infernal

 






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For the year 2000 you also had albums worth mentioning by the Underground Railroad, Echolyn, King Crimson, White Willow, the Flower Kings and Arena. 




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2019 at 02:13
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

the only albums I classed a Gnosis 12 or above (that's above 4 stars here, BTW). during the era of 2000 uintl 2005 (incl)
 

Alamaailman Vasarat - Kaarmelautakunta

Finnegans Wake - 4th

 

I know most of those wouldn't be classis  to your eyes, though.

I'd certainly add those to a great album list but they're not well known enough to be classics.
 
TBH, outside Crimson and Plant, I'd say that for the whole of my list LOL
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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

2005
Dream Theater - Octavarium
Riverside - Second Life Syndrome
 
I add Overhead - Metaepitome and Phideaux - Chupacabras. Wink
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Good call on Chupacabras.

I need to check out Metaepitome.
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