It's 1973: Black Sabbath vs Led Zeppelin |
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The.Crimson.King
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Rewind the clock to 1973. Ozzy hadn't descended into a drink & drug disaster yet...Page & Plant were still a tight songwriting team before the death of Plant's son...both bands were filling stadiums and riding the peak of their popularity...both bands just released what could be argued as the most proggy album in their history. Someone asks which of these 2 bands you like better and based only on the albums released so far your answer is? Black Sabbath s/t Paranoid Masters of Reality Vol IV Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Led Zeppelin s/t LZ II LZ III LZ IV Houses of the Holy I would've put this in 'Prog Polls' but since both bands are in PA as 'prog related' I thought this was the best forum...any mods feel free to move if prog polls is a better home
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Logan
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I was a little toddler then, but had I known both, I think I would have been a little more into Sabbath.
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Mascodagama
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Sabbath every time. I know it's semi-heretical, but I never really dug Zep.
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Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to.
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I prefer Led Zeppelin.
Technically, for example in terms of singing and guitar virtuosity, Led Zeppelin surpass Black Sabbath. The most beautiful album, in my opinion, is Led Zeppelin I (full of cover, I know, full of blues but.... it was very inspired and well arranged... it was the primal scream). Then Led Zeppelin IV. Then, slightly lower, at a similar level, Led Zeppelin II, Paranoid, Master of Reality... then, slightly lower, Black Sabbath. Ps I like Masters of Reality (1988) too!
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The major difference between them is that LZ were just recycling the blues whereas BS were breaking new ground with a heavy sound that wasn't blues based.
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^ Sabbath not blues-based? Profoundly incorrect. Sabbath were steeped in blues, in some ways more than Zep who were so schooled in it that they were able to transcend it. Sabbath were, in a way, the ultimate heavy blues band. Everyone in that time were essentially a blues band except the most arty (like Genesis): Tull, Floyd, ELP, Jeff Beck, all owe everything to American Blues. |
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Logan
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Sabbath was blues based, but the heavy sound came out of the Schlager tradition.
Or wait, I think it worked the other way around. |
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Atavachron
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^ You're kidding, right? |
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Jethro Tull.
And right you are, David, re the blues running through all of the veins, especially at that time.
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Sabbath on this one, especially since my favorite Sabbath album came out in 1973, so I'm biased.
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Zeppelin, bébé.
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Black Sabbath
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That guitar is the most out of tune I've ever heard |
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Mascodagama
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But he got furry ears |
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Sabbath by light years. Zepp annoy me these days, though I hung onto a couple of their records (III and Presence)
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Saperlipopette, that is devilishly done (I indubitably love the demonish hound in the video). That shall be faux exhibit A, and possibly B, C, D etc. for this Sherlock Holmesian case.
^ Interesting, Tom. :) Perhaps, being into Dead Kennedys and the like, Biafra probably would have something to say on this conspiracy. I found this: https://www.economist.com/europe/2005/11/10/hailing-heino
I discovered Heino because the album cover in my avatar (one I used years ago as my avatar) is on so many worst album covers lists, but then I found a certain perverse pleasure in his music, and Schlager generally. I also find it creepy, but then I also found Lawrence Welk and his program creepy. More on that later. Seems to me from that Heino album cover that he was in a Pat Boone mood -- Pat Boone from his In a Metal Mood: No More Mr. Nice Guy album (that was once my avatar), and there are musical comparisons to be made between the two. Here's an article on Schlager: Is Schlager Music The Most Embarrassing Thing Germany Has Ever Produced? The answer to that being an obvious no to me. History will find some more embarrassing examples. Watching Schlager videos does remind me of certain propaganda videos from the Nazi era, and as it does draw on themes and German folk music that was popular in Hitler's day. So, to me it seems quite sinister due to the associations I draw from it. Mixing my metaphors, and history, but listening to Schlager can be the aural equivalent to drinking the Kool Ade. Hyperbolic article, but...
From Nico Roicke at the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2011/mar/15/schlager-germany-biggest-pop-stars
Schlager may be saccharine schmaltz of the highest order, but it sure does evoke some heavy history for me in the associations that I make. Edited by Logan - February 07 2019 at 08:47 |
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The.Crimson.King
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Sabbath by a wide margin. I love a lot of LZ songs, but I love entire Sabbath albums.
For those who say Sabbath had no blues roots, I hear it all over the debut album (especially the last half of Warning and Sleeping Village) and after all, they were originally called "The Polka Tulk Blues Band" Anyway, LZ wore their influences clearly on their sleeves (especially the blues they outright stole) where Sabbath was totally unique...taking a mix of blues and hard rock and inventing something no one had heard before - doom metal As I mentioned in another recent thread, while in high school in the mid 70's all these rock fan kids would be saying, "LZ is so heavy" and I'd just laugh and say, "you want something heavy, go listen to the 1st 5 Black Sabbath albums"
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Logan
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^ The blues roots/ influence is obvious to me. By the way, sorry for the digressions in your topic, but instead of mentioning Schlager, I was originally going to say polka (there is polka schlager), and I now rather regret it. Part of me remembered "The Polka Tulk Blues Band", but rather semi-consciously. Even in absurdity, there often lies some truth.
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